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Cornyn's Office on Imprisoned Border Agents: No Plans to Seek Pardon
Call to Sen. Cornyn's DC Office | Self

Posted on 01/18/2007 8:17:49 AM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon

I called Senator Cornyn's office in Washington, D.C. this morning to urge him to intervene on behalf of the two Border Patrol agents that were imprisoned yesterday. The response from the staffer fielding calls was that, as a former judge, Sen. Cornyn did not believe he should interfere with ongoing cases. When I pressed to see if the senator had plans to ask Pres. Bush to pardon these men, the answer from the staffer was "no". I then urged the man to tell the senator I hope the senator changed his mind.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; border; cornyn; immigrantlist; immigration
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To: Dog Gone
Except that he didn't, and both the agents admitted to that.

Except that he did, according to one of the agents (see #94 above). You keep using a press release that claims certain things about the agents' statements while those statements have not been released (and neither has the transcript). Repeating the position of the Feds as the truth is meaningless when the Feds' truthfulness is being questioned.

101 posted on 01/19/2007 12:59:08 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: Dog Gone

Go back through the thread. See link at #94. Do some research and stop relying on the potentially keister-covering Feds' press releases.


102 posted on 01/19/2007 1:00:10 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: Dog Gone
The article from The Daily Bulletin stated that Ramos did claim Andrete had a gun. It is logical to assume that Andrete was armed, given his occupation and location. Usually, police are given the benefit of the doubt in a "he said, she said" situation, especially when the other side is a drug runner.

I must wonder, especially in light of the information referenced in post 89, whether Johnny Sutton is not a politically motivated prosecutor on the order of Patrick Fitzgerald, Mike Nifong, and Ronnie Earle.

103 posted on 01/19/2007 1:02:28 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Dog Gone
They didn't see a gun, most probably because THERE WAS NO GUN

If you were a drug smuggler carrying that much dope over thew US/Mexico border, would you personally choose tto arm yourself?

104 posted on 01/19/2007 1:03:45 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: PRND21
Tancredo says his FIRST act as President would be to pardon these agents.

Better them than the meth dealers your boy Bush likes to pardon.

105 posted on 01/19/2007 1:05:46 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

The question I have is: how did they find the Mexican that returned back across the border.....something not just right about the whole situation....


106 posted on 01/19/2007 1:07:33 PM PST by thinking
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

Get real. The guy had no gun. Nothing in the link or the trial testimony indicated otherwise.


Tell me how you shoot someone in the butt who is threatening you with a non-existent gun. You can't do it. Tell me how you do it with an imaginary gun.


107 posted on 01/19/2007 1:09:41 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Wallace T.
I must wonder, especially in light of the information referenced in post 89, whether Johnny Sutton is not a politically motivated prosecutor on the order of Patrick Fitzgerald, Mike Nifong, and Ronnie Earle.

After seeing his behavior on O'Reilly last night, I now have little doubt. Smug little prick, really.

108 posted on 01/19/2007 1:10:35 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813
If you were a drug smuggler carrying that much dope over thew US/Mexico border, would you personally choose tto arm yourself?

Not sure, never having tried that line of work, but that doesn't change what the facts were that day.

109 posted on 01/19/2007 1:11:50 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: jmc813
Did O'Reilly throw Sutton softball questions, or did he ask substantive questions?
110 posted on 01/19/2007 1:13:51 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: jmc813
Better them than the meth dealers your boy Bush likes to pardon.

Thanks for that, Mr. Irrelevant.

111 posted on 01/19/2007 1:14:16 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Wallace T.

I don't know anything about Sutton. "I thought I saw a gun" is not a get out of jail free card statement. Especially when you shoot him in the ass.


112 posted on 01/19/2007 1:18:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I guess it boils down to which report you believe.

One "fact" is that the illegally border crossing drug dealer had no gun and was shot square in the BACK of his butt.

Another "fact" is that he had a gun, turned sideways and the Agent saw it and fired.

Hitting in the SIDE of his butt.

Speaking of butts, whose butt is that slick talking prosecutor trying to save? Just his own?
113 posted on 01/19/2007 1:19:48 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Dog Gone
What extenuating circumstances exist to believe that the Border Patrol officer did not see a firearm? Usually the word of a police officer is believed. For some reason, this was not the case.

If you believe drug smugglers go about their business unarmed, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I would like to sell you. Also, oceanfront property a mere 10 miles east of Miami Beach and a landmark bridge in Brooklyn.

114 posted on 01/19/2007 1:26:11 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Syncro
No, I don't think anybody testified that the guy had a gun. At best, they thought for a split second that he might have one.

At best.

That's an easy thing to assert at a trial, along with alleging that there was "thick dust" at the time. (That region is rocky. They'd be thrilled to get some dust). They didn't even assert that the smuggler fired at them.

I dunno. If I had a gun in my hand and you fired 15 times at me and hit me in the butt, I'd at least get one round fired off at you. Maybe I'm unique.

115 posted on 01/19/2007 1:29:07 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Wallace T.
What extenuating circumstances exist to believe that the Border Patrol officer did not see a firearm?

Just all the evidence which was uncontroverted.

I know, those pesky details get in the way of the outcome we want.

116 posted on 01/19/2007 1:31:46 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

Your debunking trial testimony on this tread?..... please link me to it....


117 posted on 01/19/2007 1:36:08 PM PST by deport
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

I wish some people would get their facts and data before they make condemnation. We don't allow our local police to do what these border agents did and I was under the impression that we are a country of laws. Do a little research on the facts from the other side.

There is no reason to put the President of this country into this issue because it is a no win situation.

I don't feel Mexico is a 'true' friend of this country when it comes to drug running. The only way to resolve it is to take the profit away from them.



118 posted on 01/19/2007 1:40:30 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

The 12 jurors who sat in judgement of the testimony presented to them didn't buy the debunking you're trying to sell......

That is exactly why we have an Appellate process in our judical system. Let the system work and let's see what the debunkers say under oath with penalty of perjury facing them..... At the present time they are convicted felons until and unless they appellate process reverses the lower court....


119 posted on 01/19/2007 1:42:47 PM PST by deport
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To: Dog Gone
Like I said, the prosecutor is a slick talker. It worked with you.

"At that point, Ramos said, Aldrete-Davila turned toward him, pointing what looked like a gun."

This you spin into " At best, they thought for a split second that he might have one."

So if someone shoots at you, you say you would shoot back. If someone (say, oh a lawbreaking illegal drug running criminal) pointed a gun at you, you wouldn't shoot?

One of these Border Patrol men could very well be dead if they did what you wanted. Well, I guess going to jail for protecting our border is better than being dead.

It seems clear which side you are on.

120 posted on 01/19/2007 1:50:21 PM PST by Syncro
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