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Bush to talk to border agents' families
Daily Bulletin ^ | Sara Carter

Posted on 01/20/2007 6:20:34 AM PST by Ladycalif

President Bush is expected to reach out to the families of two Texas Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler.

White House staff contacted former agent Ignacio Ramos' family early Friday, assuring them the president would call them soon, said Monica Ramos, the agent's wife.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpatrol; compean; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; ramos; ramosandcompean; saraacarter
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To: mad_as_he$$

I also believe that one of the agents was "Agent of the Year" in 2005.



It wouldn't be Ramos as he's been arrested on at least two occasions for domestic abuse and was formally disciplined for conduct unbecoming a federal officer.


61 posted on 01/20/2007 8:45:30 AM PST by deport
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To: Mamzelle

Did they trace the bullet back to the agents' guns?



Agent Ramos' weapon..... He fired only one round and connected......


62 posted on 01/20/2007 8:46:30 AM PST by deport
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

I agree Bush should tell the families.. I have pardon the 2 agents


63 posted on 01/20/2007 8:46:55 AM PST by Gone_Postal (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures..right next to the mashed potatoes)
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To: deport
Do we have a governmental source for the extension of the immunity deal to cover this 2nd attempt?

You gotta ask David Horowitz on that one.

64 posted on 01/20/2007 8:47:03 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: zarf
but if they covered up the facts

That has long been a problem for may folks.

In circumstances similar to those being discussed, the original actions were possibly questionable or imprudent but substantially not grave or illegal. Driven by fear of overzealous prosecution, the perpetrators attempt to obfuscate or alter the record of their actions and in the process they conspire.

The act of conspiring oft times carriers legal penalties well in excess of those accorded to the original action even if those original actions were subsequently deemed illegal.

This may well be the case in these circumstances.

65 posted on 01/20/2007 8:49:04 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Mamzelle

They matched the bullet to Ramos's gun.

Ironically, the US Attorney to this day says he has no evidence to connect Aldrete-Davila to the marijuana in the van that day. I wish someone would ask Sutton--what about the bullet from his butt?


66 posted on 01/20/2007 8:50:05 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: processing please hold
Very few of us here are for illegal immigration. Sadly, the Media and the Democrats will use it against us to make us appear as racist. The ignorant Moderates and independent/swing voters are who the media has control of and it showed in this last election. They are to voters who gave the election to the Democrats.
67 posted on 01/20/2007 8:50:59 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: Amerigomag

See post 31. By prosecuting him (and getting a conviction) for "discharging a firearm during a crime of violence", sentencing standards tacked on a mandatory minimum of ten years (on top of any other sentence imposed). That is where the sentence really racked up. There is a whole lot of question as to whether applying that law was appropriate.


68 posted on 01/20/2007 8:55:48 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; All
The ignorant Moderates and independent/swing voters are who the media has control of and it showed in this last election. They are to voters who gave the election to the Democrats.

Yes they did, and I hope they choke on it.

Have you seen this thread?

Law would make Minutemen guilty of 'domestic terrorism'

69 posted on 01/20/2007 8:58:10 AM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Why else would these agents try to cover up the incident.

Where do you get the idea that they tried to cover up anything? Within minutes after the incident other agents along with their supervisor were on the scene. Do you think that all of the agents there were involved in a drug deal gone bad?

The justice department tried to convince a group of congressmen that these were bad agents. They haven't been able to deliver any of the "evidence" they claim to have. They wouldn't have lied to the congressmen, would they?

There have been various excuses as to why the trial transcript isn't available five months after the trial. Maybe the trial transcript shows things the "justice" system isn't proud of. Maybe someday we'll know.

70 posted on 01/20/2007 8:58:34 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Ladycalif; deport; Everybody
Tuesday, December 5, 2006

The Ramos-Compean Affair: What really happened.
By Joe Loya

"My name is Joe Loya and I am the father- in- law of Border Patrol agent Ignacio 'Nacho' Ramos".

There are plenty of versions of what actually took place when two Border Patrol agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, tried to chase down a drug smuggler in El Paso. But, unless you were there; unless you were present for the fifteen day trial; unless you paid $6,000.00 to read the 3000 pages of transcripts; unless you spoke with their fellow officers; unless you saw the affidavits from jurors who claimed that they were bullied into going along with the conviction, you cannot appreciate the enormity of this outrage.

Please listen to my story and then, please, do everything you can to persuade President Bush to issue an immediate pardon to these two fine agents.

What really happened? Basically, two Border Patrol agents, attempting to interrupt a cross-border drug smuggling operation, fired their weapons in self-defense at an admitted illegal alien, drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila.

The smuggler managed to escape across the border into Mexico, but he left his vehicle, loaded with more than 700 pounds of marijuana. It was another good bust. (Agent Ramos has taken part in more than 100 drug busts and has never hurt anyone, despite having been assaulted and fired upon many times.)

Davila surfaced again a month later with the help of his life-long friend, Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez, stationed in Willcox, Arizona. Davila was also assisted by Homeland Security agent Christopher Sanchez in El Paso, who started an investigation into the case. Somehow, they managed to get Debra Kanof, Chief Prosecutor for Major Crimes with the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Justice Department involved. (How or why someone at this level would want to escalate and aggressively prosecute two outstanding BP agents for administrative policy violations is a whole other story.)

Kanof acted swiftly, handing out immunities to anybody who would testify against Ramos or Compean. She also provided the drug smuggler with free medical attention at William Beaumont Army Hospital in El Paso and free passage back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico, not bad treatment for an illegal alien and known drug smuggler.

Kanof alleged that the smuggler was an innocent person who was shot by the agents as he ran away from them, fearing the agents were trying to beat him up.

The details. With Ramos and Compean in hot pursuit of this drug smuggler, Davila was forced to ditch his van loaded with 743 lbs of marijuana. In attempting to escape, Davila assaulted and cut BP agent Jose Alonso Compean and left him on the ground bleeding. While Compean was chasing Davila on foot, Ramos had been trying to outflank Davila to cut off his escape into Mexico.

Hearing gun shots and calls for help from his fellow agent, Ramos raced to the scene and found Compean on the ground bleeding. He saw Davila racing towards the Rio Grande, about to cross into Mexico and escape.

Agent Ramos began to chase after the smuggler who had just assaulted his fellow officer. Then the smuggler turned and pointed something at Ramos that he believed was a gun. The time was approximately 1:15pm. It was broad daylight. Ramos, fearing for his life and believing that Davila had already been shooting at his fellow officer, took a single shot at the smuggler. At this time, nobody knew that the smuggler had been wounded.

The smuggler turned back towards the border and kept running. He disappeared into the tall, thick brush along the river. Later, Davila was spotted running across the dry river bed and jumping into a waiting vehicle with two other suspects. This was witnessed by four Border Patrol agents, documenting that Davila was not some "innocent" illegal alien, but a bona fide drug smuggling operation. The three smugglers took off and the agents walked back to the abandoned van where they discovered the 743 pounds of marijuana.

BP supervisor, Jonathan Richards, who had arrived on the scene, was very angry that the smuggler had gotten away. Richards ordered everyone to report to the station. He also told them to load the 743 lbs of marijuana onto their vehicles and take it to the station.

Richards never went across the canal to investigate the assault or to check on agent Compean. Ramos and another agent, named Yrigoyen later testified they told Richards that Compean had been assaulted. At the station, another agent, Mendez, stated that Compean had cuts on his face and hand. He said this in the presence of Supervisor Richards. This is significant because Richards denied having any knowledge of Compean's injuries.

The BP supervisor lied on the witness stand, testifying that no one told him Compean had been assaulted, which is his excuse for never notifying the F.B.I. of this fact. The truth is that he offered Compean medical attention and had asked Compean several times if he was OK. The physical evidence was apparent as Compean was cut and covered with dirt. Richard's failure to notify the F.B.I. of the assault is the reason why the case was never investigated.

Because of the supervisor's actions, none of the agent's filled out firearms discharge reports. This administrative policy violation calls for a five day suspension without pay. After checking again on Compean's condition and asking him if he wanted to file assault charges, according to testimony, Richards then made a statement saying, "If we call the F.B.I. we are going to be here all night doing paperwork. We will never know who the person was that assaulted you although we've got the van and the marijuana." After than, everyone went back to work.

The Arrest. In a dramatic display of overkill, the two BP agents, Ramos and Compean, were arrested by SWAT teams, armed with automatic weapons, at their homes. They were roughed up by the arresting officers before handcuffing them. And all of this was done in front of their families, including their young children.

They were charged with attempted murder, indicted, placed under house arrest for eight long months; tried and convicted by overzealous, unethical and vicious prosecutors who were certainly not out for justice, but for reasons that, someday, hopefully, will become clear.

During their time in jail, awaiting their trial, Ramos and Compean were offered plea bargains approximately eight times. The last offer came five weeks before trial. That offer was for one year in prison and reimbursement to the government for the $35,000 in medical bills for the treatment of the drug smuggler.

Kanof continued to pile up counts against them until the agents were facing 40 years to life because of the count stacking. They rejected the plea bargain because they knew they were innocent and they had faith in our country's legal system. Had they been guilty, they would have taken those plea bargain offers in a heart beat.

The trial. The prosecutor, Debra Kanof said that all Davila was trying to do was get back home to Mexico. She said the agents never should have chased him, because they did not know what was in the van. (Doesn't spotting a van crossing the Mexican border into the U.S., illegally, count as probably cause to warrant interdiction by the BP?)

The supervisor, clearly under pressure from Major Crimes Prosecutor Kanof, testified that he knew nothing of the pursuit, even though he had been on the scene and had been inspecting the van with several other agents. At the trial, the drug smuggler claimed that Compean fired 5 or 6 shots at him. During the trial, the prosecution upped that number to 16 shots.

The story Davila told the Justice Department was that he was walking across from Mexico (illegally) when Ramos and Compean tried to beat him up. Although under oath, he changed his story many times during the trial. He finally admitted that he was paid $1000.00 to bring the load to an El Paso stash house after he was given immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony against the two agents.

Davila claimed that he was shot in the back as he fled back to Mexico. The U.S. Army doctor who removed the bullet fragment from the smuggler's right groin disagreed. Although he was testifying as a government witness, he told the truth and stated, "The smuggler was not shot from behind". "He was in a running position, (bladed position) and pointing back with his left arm and hand when the bullet hit his left side of his left buttock and traveled to his right groin.

The prosecution then suggested that he may have been shot as he was running across and not away from agent Ramos. The doctor disagreed and so he was quickly dismissed by the prosecution.

The Bottom Line. The two agents were sentenced to 11 and 12 years in federal prison, respectively, on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and for violation of the drug smuggler's civil rights. They were charged with 11 and 12 counts, respectively, because every time they rejected Kanof's offer to plea bargain, she would become furious and dream up more counts against them.

In less than six weeks, two brave, honest and dedicated young agents, who have risked their lives for many years arresting illegal aliens, human smugglers and drug smugglers, will be sent off to prison, while Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a known drug dealer goes free.

While my family is suffering emotional trauma and financial disaster, this low-life drug smuggler is laughing at the Border Patrol and planning to sue them for $5 million dollars.

Our family is already in debt more than $100,000 in legal fees. We are right on the edge of financial disaster and, yet, if these agents are not pardoned, we will have to raise the funds necessary to pay for the appeal to get a new, fair trial.

If you wish to make a contribution to help Agent Ignacio Ramos, please make your check payable to Ignacio Ramos and mail it directly to the family at Ignacio Ramos, P.O. BOX 972925, El Paso, TX 79997.

Thank you.

sw

71 posted on 01/20/2007 9:00:28 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
What??

I missed those pardons!!!!!

72 posted on 01/20/2007 9:02:34 AM PST by pointsal (q)
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To: FreePaul

Where do you get the idea that they tried to cover up anything?



Didn't they police up the brass what they could find and then another agent went and found the remaining and threw it away? Sounds like a cover up in progress.


73 posted on 01/20/2007 9:04:16 AM PST by deport
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To: FreePaul

There's a dead rat in this case somewhere, stinking up the facts. I read the case history by what the jury saw and it gave the jury a reason to convict.

It's the American justice system. The President has very little to do with it, particularly the element of blame like so many here have chosen to do.


74 posted on 01/20/2007 9:05:00 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: Savage Beast
He is yet to close the Mexican Border; he is yet to stop the flood of illegal immigration--though both are demanded overwhelmingly by a majority of the American people!

To say that either of these measures is "demanded overwhelmingly" by a "majority of the American people" is false on both counts.

If it were true, it would have happened already.

75 posted on 01/20/2007 9:07:41 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: FreePaul
"Why else would these agents try to cover up the incident.

The old cliche, “If you haven’t walked a mile in their shoes…,” applies here when discussing these Border Patrol Agents. Let’s face it, these Border Patrolmen work in a war zone where everyone, both Border Patrolman and drug trafficker, are armed. Drug traffickers will not hesitate to either brandish a firearm or fire on Border Patrolmen just to cause the Border Patrolmen to back off. Now why, you may ask, would a Border Patrolman not return fire when shot at or threatened? The simple answer is that it is just not worth the hassle the Border Patrolman must endure in the aftermath of the shooting incident. The preservation of the scene, waiting for arrival of the shooting investigation team, the myriad of paperwork that must be filled out, the two weeks administrative leave, no overtime can be earned while on admin leave, and the endless questions by the “Headhunters” who question every facet of the shooting, makes firing his weapon a dreaded option for a Border Patrolman.

So, why did this Border Patrolman fire on this drug trafficker when the drug trafficker brandished his weapon and fled? This is all supposition on my part, but he probably fired because the drug trafficker had just struck his partner and friend, leaving him lying there bleeding in the dirt before he fled.

So, why didn’t the Border Patrolman properly report the shooting? It was probably because he didn’t think he had hit the drug trafficker and it just wasn’t worth the two weeks of hassle he would have to go through if he did report it. Besides, if it ever came to light that he had fired his weapon and had not reported it, the punishment would be 15-30 days leave without pay, so what the heck, it was worth the gamble, or so he thought.

Never in their wildest dreams did these Border Patrolmen think the Bush Administration would search for and find a Mexican drug smuggler in Mexico who had been shot in the rear end, claim it’s the same drug trafficker the Border Patrolman shot at, offer him immunity for smuggling drugs into the U.S., bring him back to the U.S. to testify against them in an attempted murder trial, and they would be sentence to 10-12 years in Federal Prison. How were they to know that George Bush, in an attempt to gain the Hispanic vote would engineer an “Alice in Wonderland” scenario such as took place with this trial? How was the GOP to know that this travesty would be one of the major factors that will cost them the White House in 2008?

76 posted on 01/20/2007 9:08:07 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: deport

They also did not write up the proper paperwork or report the incident.

Good chance of a cover up...


77 posted on 01/20/2007 9:08:16 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


78 posted on 01/20/2007 9:08:26 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: calcowgirl
A few parts of that need emphasis:

To sweeten the immunity deal, the feds paid for Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila’s medical treatment of his ailing backside – a taxpayer-funded recuperation at William Beaumont Army Medical Center in El Paso, Texas. He showed his gratitude by breaking his immunity agreement in October 2005, when officers say he attempted to smuggle 1,000 pounds of marijuana into America. The prosecution further extended its immunity to this felony and sealed the indictment from jurors. Aldrete-Davila repaid this new shower of grace by suing the federal government for $5 million, alleging the shooting violated his civil rights. However, he agreed to help in their criminal prosecution, as well, and the feds are apparently happy to collaborate with the pusher as long as he helped put effective lawmen behind bars.
79 posted on 01/20/2007 9:10:01 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

There was an article on here where some on the jury would not vote them guilty. Another juror told them the judge would not accept a hung jury. That is what made them change their vote.


80 posted on 01/20/2007 9:10:29 AM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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