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The Bogus 'Science' of Secondhand Smoke
The Washington Post ^ | January 30, 2007 | Gio Batta Gori

Posted on 01/30/2007 11:38:44 AM PST by neverdem

Smoking cigarettes is a clear health risk, as most everyone knows. But lately, people have begun to worry about the health risks of secondhand smoke. Some policymakers and activists are even claiming that the government should crack down on secondhand smoke exposure, given what "the science" indicates about such exposure.

Last July, introducing his office's latest report on secondhand smoke, then-U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona asserted that "there is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure," that "breathing secondhand smoke for even a short time can damage cells and set the cancer process in motion," and that...

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In addition, results are not consistently reproducible. The majority of studies do not report a statistically significant change in risk from secondhand smoke exposure, some studies show an increase in risk, and ¿ astoundingly ¿ some show a reduction of risk.

Some prominent anti-smokers have been quietly forthcoming on what "the science" does and does not show. Asked to quantify secondhand smoke risks at a 2006 hearing at the UK House of Lords, Oxford epidemiologist Sir Richard Peto ¿ a leader of the secondhand smoke crusade ¿ replied, "I am sorry not to be more helpful; you want numbers and I could give you numbers..., but what does one make of them? ...These hazards cannot be directly measured."

It has been fashionable to ignore the weakness of "the science" on secondhand smoke, perhaps in the belief that claiming "the science is settled" will lead to policies and public attitudes that will reduce the prevalence of smoking. But such a Faustian bargain is an ominous precedent in public health and political ethics. Consider how minimally such policies as smoking bans in bars and restaurants really reduce the prevalence of smoking, and yet how odious and socially unfair such prohibitions are.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndhandsmoke; addiction; cancer; cervicalcancer; emphysema; ets; health; junkscience; lungcancer; medicine; nannystate; pufflist; science; secondhandsmoke; smoking
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This is in WaPO? Pigs must be flying.
1 posted on 01/30/2007 11:38:47 AM PST by neverdem
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To: Gabz; SheLion

Incredible honesty in WaPo ping!


2 posted on 01/30/2007 11:42:29 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Bump for later reading.


3 posted on 01/30/2007 11:44:24 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: neverdem

Many of us have known this for a long time. This is just one of many attempts to accustom us to government intrusion in our private lives "for our own good and the good of the children." With national healthcare they will be able to control nearly all we do because they are paying for it.


4 posted on 01/30/2007 11:47:14 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: neverdem
Must be a last gasp to seem relevant.

The Surgeon General said second hand smoke is dangerous. He did not specify cigarette smoke, coal smoke, wood smoke, or car exhaust. Breathing smoke, whatever the source, is bad for you.

Ans remember, 2 out of 3 epidemiology studies are wrong. The other third have not had a contradictory report released yet.
5 posted on 01/30/2007 11:48:15 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: neverdem

Personally, I'd rather get my smoke first-hand.
It's a lot less dangerous than that DEADLY second-hand smoke.

You just don't know where it's been...


6 posted on 01/30/2007 11:48:46 AM PST by rock_lobsta (Offending liberals since 1993)
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To: neverdem

nump


7 posted on 01/30/2007 11:49:42 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: rock_lobsta

I digress further...

I'm looking forward to the studies about third-hand smoke, which is so dangerous, it kills the breather - and their first-born male - on contact.


8 posted on 01/30/2007 11:52:31 AM PST by rock_lobsta (Offending liberals since 1993)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
This is just one of many attempts to accustom us to government intrusion in our private lives "for our own good and the good of the children." With national healthcare they will be able to control nearly all we do because they are paying for it.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

9 posted on 01/30/2007 11:56:57 AM PST by Sicon
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To: neverdem

Are prisoners in the U.S. allowed to smoke inside ? ...

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=be0babc1-14c8-4e3b-88d0-a45fcde34403&k=76473


10 posted on 01/30/2007 11:58:07 AM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: neverdem; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ..

Nanny State Ping..........

Gori nails it, and I'm amazed the Compost printed it.


11 posted on 01/30/2007 11:58:22 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Many members of this forum ae totally on board with the government intrusion you mention.


12 posted on 01/30/2007 12:02:05 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: neverdem

Sometimes when the woodstove is going there is an atmospheric inversion of some kind that causes the stove to emit a large quantity of woodsmoke into the room, then the stove continues to draw as if nothing had happened. Is that woodsmoke safer to breathe than second-hand tobacco smoke? It must be safer or the Gov't would tax it. It is amusing to note while shopping at the mall whose clothing smells like woodsmoke because those are the real Alaskans.


13 posted on 01/30/2007 12:02:24 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Gabz
Gori nails it,

Gori has an upcoming article ("The Surgeon General's Doctored Opinion") that will appear in the spring issue of the Cato Institute's Regulation Magazine. I don't know if it will be online, but I'll be on the lookout for it.

14 posted on 01/30/2007 12:07:09 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: RS
It depends on the state. There have been riots over the issue and they've had about as much success with it as it appears from your link that Canada has.

What are they gonna do jail 'em?
;O)

15 posted on 01/30/2007 12:10:55 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: neverdem
Yes, that yellow/brown tar and heavy metals clogging up your a/c filter is a figment of your imagination and has no effect whatsoever on the lungs of anyone in the room breathing that same air. /sarc
16 posted on 01/30/2007 12:11:05 PM PST by anymouse
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To: anymouse
You must smoke a REALLY large amount of tobacco.
I smoek in my home and have never seen anything such as you describe on my filters.
17 posted on 01/30/2007 12:13:33 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Gabz

I am astounded that the Post printed it.


18 posted on 01/30/2007 12:27:20 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: neverdem
2nd hand smoke is UNtaxable.. it's FREE...
The gub'ment HATES THAT... The gub'ment wants to rent you your smoke..

Like they do with everything else you OWN.. like your vehicles and houses..

19 posted on 01/30/2007 12:30:02 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Thanks for the heads up.


20 posted on 01/30/2007 12:41:58 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 01/30/2007 12:44:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale

We rely on our woodstove for a major part of our heat, but we've never exprienced anything like you describe. I wonder if it has to do with continual use.

To me smoke is smoke, regardless of the source.............apparently there are MANY who disagree with me.


22 posted on 01/30/2007 12:46:46 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: patton

You and me both.

Unfortunately Gori was unable to come to Richmond for us as planned, a last minute conflict came up.


23 posted on 01/30/2007 12:48:16 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Gabz

It's a common experience in Fairbanks. Might have to do with atmospheric conditions at this latitude. Usually nobody mentions it, but when when somebody does mention it others say yeah but they don't know either.


24 posted on 01/30/2007 12:55:38 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: neverdem
It has been fashionable to ignore the weakness of "the science" on secondhand smoke, perhaps in the belief that claiming "the science is settled" will lead to policies and public attitudes that will reduce the prevalence of smoking.

Having succeeded on that basis with Secondhand Smoke, the enviroweenies are trying to do the same thing today with Global Warming.

25 posted on 01/30/2007 12:57:07 PM PST by bondjamesbond (Have you ever noticed that whatever the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes"?)
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To: RightWhale

I didn't even think of that idea.

My comment regarding continual use was just a first reaction because I know that heating issues are far different in Alaska than in Virginia :)


26 posted on 01/30/2007 1:00:08 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: fireforeffect
"The Surgeon General said second hand smoke is dangerous."
Many years ago a different Surgeon General said that a certain type of breast implants were dangerous and had them banned. The company that produced these breast implants went bankrupt and ten thousand employees lost their jobs. Thousands of women sued and went through the pain and expense of having the implants removed. Each woman got about $66 from the suit and the lawyers received hundreds of millions of dollars. Years latter all studies proved that the Surgeon General had based his decision on phony science and that the original implants were safe. But at least the lawyers got their money!
27 posted on 01/30/2007 1:32:04 PM PST by JLGALT (Get ready - Lock and Load!)
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To: neverdem; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; ...
Thanks for the ping!
28 posted on 01/30/2007 1:35:15 PM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!!!


29 posted on 01/30/2007 1:36:35 PM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: JLGALT
The company that produced these breast implants went bankrupt and ten thousand employees lost their jobs.

And the Science (political type anyway) was settled on DDT 35 years ago when it was made taboo, and only 100 million people died as a result.

30 posted on 01/30/2007 1:45:40 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Gabz

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day, LOL!

And guess what? One of the Moonbats on our County Board is calling for an increase on the beer tax, ala an increase on a pack of smokes. And that "tax" will fund programs to help drunks, EXACTLY as every increased penny of tax on smokes have gone for 'stop smoking' programs. *SMIRK*

It'll be interesting to see how far she gets in THIS state with that. Wisconsin MEANS Beer. They haven't raised taxes on a keg of beer since 1954 or something...but as the screwing over of Smokers has shown us, it's the wave of the future to increase any and all Sin Taxes that they can think of from the local level on up.

It's 'for the children,' don't you know? *SNORT*


31 posted on 01/30/2007 1:48:15 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: neverdem

Science no longer needs facts...the pols will tell you all you need to know!


32 posted on 01/30/2007 1:49:53 PM PST by Edgerunner (Better RED than DEAD)
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To: RightWhale

You remind me of an intersting rhetorical somebody on here asked one time. Which would you rather be locked in a garage with for an hour: 100 smokers or 1 running automobile?


33 posted on 01/30/2007 1:58:55 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Gabz; RightWhale

Might be the location of the house and/or woodstove. My cousin, who lives in the basement of my Aunts house, has a fireplace in the main "settin" area. I asked him why he doesn't use it. Well, my Aunt's house is built into the side of a hill and he said for some reason when the wind is right it blows the smoke right back down the chimney and fills the house up with smoke.


34 posted on 01/30/2007 2:01:49 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: bondjamesbond

Well, they're making it sound like secondhand smoke is worse than firsthand. With GW they're making it sould like CO2 is a worse pollutant than CO.


35 posted on 01/30/2007 2:02:54 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

My (pregnant) wife and I moved out of an apartment because the woman downstairs smoked. We may not have been affected medically by her smoking, but it was nearly unbearable when it would drift up through the vents and through the windows.

That said, I have no problem with people smoking as long as it doesn't directly affect the reasonable comfort of me or my loved ones.


36 posted on 01/30/2007 2:07:06 PM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: JLGALT; Sicon
But at least the lawyers got their money!

The same is true of asbestos and DDT as it is with second hand smoke and gel in implants. Lefties and their brown shirt enforcers, the personal injury lawyers, deprive us of many useful products as well as restrict our freedom.

I used to like the cameras on airliners that showed the takeoffs and landings. Seeing what the pilot was seeing was much better IMO than watching ground or buildings whiz by. They were removed when some lawyers got extra millions for a crash by saying how horrible it must have been for the passengers to see what was going on.

Thanks a lot you wretched parasites!

37 posted on 01/30/2007 3:50:02 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Thanks a lot you wretched parasites!

And there are many here at FR that belong in that category because they support all this junk science nonsense.

38 posted on 01/30/2007 4:03:53 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: JLGALT
Each woman got about $66 from the suit and the lawyers received hundreds of millions of dollars.

Attorney's suffer more. ; )

39 posted on 01/30/2007 4:08:18 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: neverdem; gaz; All
Ever heard of Proposition 421?
  1. Click the link.
  2. Scroll down the page & enter the three-digit code.
  3. Wait 30 sec (Sorry, but it's a free site).
  4. Click the button to download (be sure speakers are on).

40 posted on 01/30/2007 4:12:00 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
It's 'for the children,' don't you know?

Now I get the big picture.

Abort a child and save them from the torments of life's fruits.

No wonder there has been such a promotion of abortion in the recent past by "progressives".

It's for the children....

41 posted on 01/30/2007 4:13:13 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: JLGALT

"Years later all studies proved that the Surgeon General had based his decision on phony science and that the original implants were safe."

I have it!!! We need to make phoney science illegal. Yeh, that's it. /sarc

Seriously, there has got to be a way of fighting this propaganda. Just the other night, I saw a PSA (public service announcement) claiming that we all, every single one of us, are responsible for global warming. And global warming is real and it will destroy our planet..SOON!!!
They are using our very own tax monies against us and it seems we cannot stop them.

Claire!!! Is it time yet?


42 posted on 01/30/2007 4:13:44 PM PST by jcparks (LFOD)
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To: Gabz
To me smoke is smoke, regardless of the source.............

And all this time I have been hearing that there is good smoke, bad smoke, and ugly smoke.

Your just not "picky" enough in your tastes Gabz. ; )

43 posted on 01/30/2007 4:22:15 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
They were removed when some lawyers got extra millions for a crash by saying how horrible it must have been for the passengers to see what was going on.

God gave us eye lid's and attorneys finished God's work for him.

They are disciples....

44 posted on 01/30/2007 4:26:33 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

I guess I'm not.


45 posted on 01/30/2007 4:33:18 PM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: anymouse

"Yes, that yellow/brown tar and heavy metals clogging up your a/c filter is a figment of your imagination "

I was thinking that very thing as I walked past the baby's crib a blew some cigarette smoke into her little face. What could it hurt?


46 posted on 01/30/2007 5:00:54 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: neverdem

¿ astoundingly ¿


47 posted on 01/30/2007 5:05:02 PM PST by uglybiker (AU-TO-MO-BEEEEEEEL?!!)
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To: EGPWS

You'll never get out of it alive. May as well end it before you begin it! *SHIVER*

I've been taking care of a friend's 4 month old baby boy this past week. How anyone in their right mind cannot understand what the end result of a pregnancy is just amazes me to no end!

Thanks again, NOW Hags! Thanks again, "Planned Abortionhood!"


48 posted on 01/30/2007 5:53:35 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
How anyone in their right mind cannot understand what the end result of a pregnancy is just amazes me to no end!

Right mind is the key focus.

49 posted on 01/30/2007 6:09:21 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: JLGALT

In 1998 The World Health Organization toted up the results of a ten year multicountry study on second-hand smoke and cancer. For both the workplace and the home, it found that there was no statistical connection between the two. No evidence that secondhand smoke raises the risk of cancer. WHO published an initial summary then denied it, and has buried the report itself. This is not an urban legend. See the article at: http://www.reason.com/news/show/28274.html


50 posted on 01/30/2007 6:11:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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