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Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"
FOX News ^ | Feb 6, 2007 | Hanity and Colmes

Posted on 02/07/2007 2:40:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

HANNITY: So you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?

GIULIANI: Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, like a few cities are now, kind of coming back, thank goodness not New York, but some other cities, maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules.

HANNITY: But generally speaking, do you think it's acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?

GIULIANI: It's not only -- I mean, it's part of the Constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then the restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You've got to regulate, consistent with the Second Amendment.

HANNITY: How do you feel about the Brady bill and assault ban?

GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bang; banglist; electionpresident; elections; giulian; giuliani; gop; guncontrol; leo; regulatethis; republicans; rkba; rudygiulian; rudyonguns; rudytranscript; voteduncanhunter
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To: Jim Robinson
You've got to REGULATE (gun control), consistent with the Second Amendment"

Impossible, since regulation is infringement. The power to regulate is the power to regulate it out of existence.

61 posted on 02/07/2007 3:02:41 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: msnimje

"Aren't their regulations for gun ownership like felons can't legally have them?"

There never used to be.

Back in the 'old west' days, once a felon was released from prison his guns were returned to him.

Something about his 'debt being paid to society'.

Now a days, once a felon, always a felon, no matter what.


62 posted on 02/07/2007 3:02:49 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: showme_the_Glory
So, here I am back at Duncan Hunter?

Should have never left...lol

63 posted on 02/07/2007 3:03:11 PM PST by houeto ("electable got us Arnie. It's not working for California and it won't work for America!" - JimRob)
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To: pepperhead

I will not vote for Rudy.


64 posted on 02/07/2007 3:03:30 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Jim Robinson
FORTUNATELY, Jim, the President of the United States doesn't have the power to unilaterally abrogate the Constitution. No, the power to just decide what the Constitution means rests solely with the Supreme Court. That's why I would proudly vote for Guiliani if he were the nominee, and might support him in a primary, especiallyh if he ends up competing against somebody who can't win.

I oppose gun control. I oppose abortion. These are positions that most would consider conservative, yet these battles will not be fought in the legislature and the executive. They'll be fought in the judiciary. And President Guiliani will nominate judges to the federal bench who will be much, much more likely to support conservative ideals of judicial restraint and strict constructionism than the nominees of, say, President Clinton. Suppose Hillary Clinton were staunchly against both gun control and abortion. Would you vote for her over Guiliani? Because if you would, you're a fool. I wouldn't, because I recognize that the President is not a dictator and it's okay for me to disagree with the President. What matters about a politician is what he does, not what he thinks. And the President is not a legislator, nor is he a judge. He makes executive policy. He approves legislation, he is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, he nominates lifetime appointees to the federal bench. That's a management job, and I want somebody who's going to manage it well. You may disagree with Rudy on some issues, but of the current crop of Presidential candidates, you must admit that he's a damned good manager. He's a leader. That's what America needs.

Right now, in the Republican field I'm leaning towards Guiliani over McCain and Romney, although I'm still praying to see Trey Parker and Matt Stone run on the Libertarian ticket. I could easily be persuaded to support another candidate, but any such arguments would have to be about why the proposed candidate would make a better President and why he or she is likely to win. "He doesn't think exactly the same as you on the issues" is not a valid argument. If Guiliani would pledge to nominate only strict constructionists, my support for him would turn financial.

Okay, Guiliani holds some liberal beliefs. Okay, he met and fell in love with his second wife while still technically married to his first. Okay, he once shared an apartment with... gay men! Icky icky! Try to look beyond these trivialities and evaluate him as a possible President.

65 posted on 02/07/2007 3:03:42 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: spunkets
"So you think seven year olds, the mentally ill, the severely retarded, and convicted felons ought to be able legally own and carry a firearm?

What about the right of even year olds, the mentally ill, the severely retarded, and convicted felons to peacefully assemble, or redress the government for greivances, or freely exercise religion?

66 posted on 02/07/2007 3:04:33 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: RockinRight

Wow, I think I'm off the band wagon already. I was looking at the WOT stance and NYC's turnaround under his leadership and starting to come around to the guy. Amazing what a little light shining can illuminate. I'm back to my original thinking that we'd be almost no better off with Giuliani than with whatever democrat wins.


67 posted on 02/07/2007 3:04:48 PM PST by JTHomes
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To: Copernicus
OK.

Links go like this:

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68 posted on 02/07/2007 3:04:59 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Copernicus

click on my name to see my FR profile page - I put them up there as I finish them.


69 posted on 02/07/2007 3:05:41 PM PST by flashbunny (<---------- Hate RINOs? Click my name for 2008 GOP RINO collector cards.)
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To: Jim Robinson
lemme know when you find a mainstream pubbie who comes out in favor of RKBA and publicly states same

didnt the diehards say we needed to plug our nose and vote Repub during the last election

I suspect we'll have the same issue here

70 posted on 02/07/2007 3:05:45 PM PST by Revelation 911 (sarcasm)
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To: Bigh4u2
Back in the 'old west' days, once a felon was released from prison his guns were returned to him.

Like when the population of the country was 10 million?
71 posted on 02/07/2007 3:05:54 PM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: CobaltBlue

Want to see a bunch of pro-gun extremists posting on a thread?

Come and join us to educate us all on why government licensing and restrictions aren't so bad!


72 posted on 02/07/2007 3:07:10 PM PST by flashbunny (<---------- Hate RINOs? Click my name for 2008 GOP RINO collector cards.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The full quote, and due credit:

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good
when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

-- Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond this Horizon (1942)

73 posted on 02/07/2007 3:07:39 PM PST by Tenniel (If you liked the Nomenklatura, you'll love the PIAPSburo.)
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To: Politicalities
"He doesn't think exactly the same as you on the issues" is not a valid argument.

On what do you base how you think about the issues and how they related to the federal government? Me? I use the US Constitution. If the guy said he used the US Constitution to make up his decisions on federal laws, that's cool with me. If he uses some sort of consensus, poll-driven, or emotion-driven approach, then I don't want him to be president. If GWB had bothered to read the US Constitution and use it as his guide, he would have vetoed CFR and many other things.

74 posted on 02/07/2007 3:08:17 PM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't force your morals on others!)
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To: Politicalities

"FORTUNATELY, Jim, the President of the United States doesn't have the power to unilaterally abrogate the Constitution"

But if a democrat controlled congress passes anti-gun laws, will Rudy the Rino sign or veto them?

A leopard doesn't change its spots.


75 posted on 02/07/2007 3:08:35 PM PST by flashbunny (<---------- Hate RINOs? Click my name for 2008 GOP RINO collector cards.)
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To: JTHomes

I will say that I think America could survive Giuliani, but not Hillary.

Rudy, for any flaws he may have, seems to have a genuine love for America. I don't think Hillary does. Or Obama-osama.


76 posted on 02/07/2007 3:08:42 PM PST by RockinRight (What I want in '08: Gingrich's politics, Reagan's appeal, and Tancredo's immigration stance.)
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To: msnimje

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Like when the population of the country was 10 million?"

So? Why should that be any different now?

And when did the law change?


77 posted on 02/07/2007 3:08:53 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Politicalities
FORTUNATELY, Jim, the President of the United States doesn't have the power to unilaterally abrogate the Constitution.

So that's how we never had an Assault Weapons Ban.

Oops, we did.

When you start with a false premise, it negates the rest of your screed.

78 posted on 02/07/2007 3:09:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: showme_the_Glory
So, here I am back at Duncan Hunter?

It's not such a bad place to be when you're voting for what you believe. Don't let the MSM and RINO establishment tell you who's "electable" and who's not.

Hunter gets an "A+" from the NRA and an "A" from the more stringent GOA.

79 posted on 02/07/2007 3:09:16 PM PST by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: Spirochete
"What about the right of even year olds, the mentally ill, the severely retarded, and convicted felons to peacefully assemble, or redress the government for greivances, or freely exercise religion?"

Irrelevant. The topic is the lawful right of reasonable men, to keep and bear arms.

80 posted on 02/07/2007 3:09:29 PM PST by spunkets
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