Posted on 02/07/2007 2:40:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson
HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?
GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...
HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?
GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.
So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.
HANNITY: So you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?
GIULIANI: Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, like a few cities are now, kind of coming back, thank goodness not New York, but some other cities, maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules.
HANNITY: But generally speaking, do you think it's acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?
GIULIANI: It's not only -- I mean, it's part of the Constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then the restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You've got to regulate, consistent with the Second Amendment.
HANNITY: How do you feel about the Brady bill and assault ban?
GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did.
CFR kind of negates your point don't you think?
President Bush also thought the same way you do and look what happens when you "Think" the judiciary will do the right thing. We need someone in office that "Thinks" like a conservative, not a Liberal. And Rudy is the latter by a wide margin.
I do take *some* issue with that. A repeat offender? No, let them have the stigma. But a one-time offender who has truly reformed himself should be able to expunge his record after a certain amount of time.
Regulation question: How do we keep firearms out of the hands of convicted felons (those of us that want to) without calling it regulation?
Some?
That's like saying Jeffrey Dahlmer has some odd recipes.
Way to go Jim!
Bigh4u2 must have forgotten that your natural rights are dependent upon the population of the state/country/kingdom/empire in which you live.
"That's like saying Jeffrey Dahlmer has some odd recipes"
Made me laugh.
In fact, he's more than tough. Some of Giuliani's Girlz assure us he is the only man who can protect us. We will all die if he is not elected.
Every big city cop and prosecutor knows that the everyday rabble can't be trusted to handle lethal force in the form of a gun. They'll only shoot themselves or accidently kill innocent people. Gotta leave that that gun handling and shooting stuff to the professionals.
/sarc
The Bill of Rights is a limitation on the Federal government, not a limitation on state or local government.
Through a series of Supreme Court decisions, various amendments have been "extended to the states", meaning that state and local government are also bound by those constitutional amendments. Not all of the amendments have been extended to the states, the 2nd being the most notable.
If California wanted to outlaw all gun ownership tomorrow, there's nothing preventing them from doing so. If the federal government wanted to outlaw all gun ownership in California, the second amendment prevents them from doing so.
That's the current state of the law right now, so what Rudy has said is correct.
It's apparent that Rudy doesn't object to the current state of the law, and he favors whatever "reasonable regulation" is. But the gun lobby has either been unwilling or unable to get a case before the Supreme Court where they would make a ruling that the 2nd Amendment applies to the states.
"But a one-time offender who has truly reformed himself should be able to expunge his record after a certain amount of time."
According to many law on the books, once a felon has fulfilled his obligation to society his 'citizenship' is restored.
If not, then you might just as well give him or her a life sentence.
Ex-felons can and do vote.
(of course, some current felons vote as well. mostly Democrat)
Oh, but not only that, every gun activist wants to have guns to kill those who disagree with him (Actual Rudybooster comment on FR)
However, the 14th extended the BOR to the states.
Read post #91.
I addressed that point.
When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with political opponents.
In addition, what do you plan on doing with all the laws that are already on the books restricting your right bear arms...I mean...come on.
Do you think Rudy's gonna take away all our guns, seriously? What do you think he's going to do differently than the last three Republican President's have done?
"convicted felons "
If criticizing someone like Hildabeast becomes a felony...
(See the New! and Improved! Fair and Balanced Speech act. Coming soon.)
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