12 Republicans Break Ranks on Iraq Resolution [Know who and where they are.]

New York Times ^ | 15FEB07 | JEFF ZELENY

[familyop]

Representative Howard Coble of North Carolina . . . Representative Steven C. LaTourette of Ohio . . . Representative John J. Duncan Jr. of Tennessee . . . Representative Walter B. Jones of North Carolina . . . Representative Ric Keller, a Florida Republican . . . Representative Heather Wilson, a New Mexico Republican . . . Republican Senators Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine . . .

[HitmanLV]

Maybe their constituencies feel this way.

[Thud]

Get confirmation. This is the NY Times.

[You Dirty Rats]

I simply don't know enough about Nebraskan politics to figure it out.

Many of the plains and mountain states voted in high percentages for GWB, but send one or two 'rats to the Senate. I don't get that one, either.

[arjay]

The leadership of the GOP needs some testosterone pills

I am beginning to despair over whether there IS any Republican leadership.

[familyop]

"...but Hagel's from Nebraska. Is Nebraska some seething hotbed of liberal sentiment, a Wisconsin without the cheese, or is Hagel just being Hagel? I simply don't know enough about Nebraskan politics to figure it out."

I don't know, either. But when I was younger, someone from Nebraska was promoting the National Socialist White People's Party where I worked. And and older woman who was neighbor showed us a swastika that her Nebraska mother (WWII era, wore large, brown dresses, and no sons in the war) gave to her. But that's probably not a very representative example of Hagel's constituents.

[NorCalRepub]

.....it is just that Hagel is totally opposed to everything about this war I think...many here on FR call him a RINO but if you look at his voting record, he is more conservative then 70% or so of the Repub Senators...in fact he is very conservative on most issues....but not on this war for sure....or how it has been run.....

[do the dhue]

OK, who let the French Republicans in the house?

[originalbuckeye]

Surrender monkeys fer sure, the lot of them.

[ClaireSolt]

You think losing 12 of 250 shows a lack of leadership? I don't. To listen to the Dem spokespeople for the last week would make anyone think this was a Republican resolution. We will see what the vote actually is. There are not many arms to twist.

[smoothsailing]

I only count 7, who are the rest of the 12?

[furquhart]

When then the hell with him. History remembers how the men of the Civil War era stood on the question of preserving the Union, not tariff revision.

I'm sure that there were some Royalists who were good on tax cuts during the Revolution too.

As far as I'm concerned, the war is a make or break issue. If you're for the war, you're on my side. If you're not, you're on the other side. I'd side with a pro-war gay pot-smoking hedonist (an American Pim Fortyun, if you will) before I'd stand alongside some of these anti-war "conservatives."

[NorCalRepub]

...as is your right.....you sound upset....I just said Hagel votes Republican on most issues....nothing more, nothing less......but he hates how this war is run....I wouldn't even call him anti war...I'd call him anti-Iraq War....

[staytrue]

Heather Wilson won reelection by about 1000 votes.

from her website "Wilson is the only woman veteran currently in Congress, and the first Air Force Academy graduate in Congress. "

[NonValueAdded]

Damn straight ... maybe Keller was trying to make up with that idiot Jim Phillips but that's it for him. Florida FReepers, unite ... clean up is needed in aisle "O."

[cva66snipe]

Jimmy Duncan, while normally a very conservative vote, has proven increasingly disappointing in regards to Iraq. He heard from me, but I don't see him shifting course.

Duncan is no ones rubber stamp. Maybe he expects some answers out of the POTUS that Bush is not giving. Do you know what Bush said concerning war, our military, and especially about nation building in the 2000 debates with Gore? Bush is miles off his own mark. He has become what he accused Gore of being on this issue. BTW Duncan will likely be re-elected when his next term is up. Perhaps if Bush had been more open to Conservatives concerns during his two terms rather than saying "You're either for us blaa blaa".

Some conservatives wanted a Declaration of War before going into Iraq and a clear and precise agenda, plan, and exit strategy. They got none of it. This despite the fact before he was elected Bush stressed these items as being important issues. Look up the Clinton Gore debate in Boston 2000. It's there.

So what did they get? About a 30 paragraph resolution of in support of U.N. resolution # xxxx and U.N. Security Council gibberish instead. Meaning what? Meaning had the GOP and Bush done it right to begin with this would be a non issue right now as congress and Bush would have been bound by the War Declaration. So would the DEMs yes even Hillary.

Some of the liberal GOP jumped due to they usually line with the DEMS. Some Conservatives have bucked because they knew Nation Building was the Bush plan right after the bombs started dropping in Iraq and Iraqs infrastructure was left intact. You can not fight a war and nation build and expect good results. Remember too it was Bush who went around leading the nation to believe early on Mission Accomplished.

Bush has taken some very bad advice on Iraq mainly because of his refusal to listen to persons outside of his hand picked circle. This is the end result.

[Frohickey]

When can we finally get rid of all the RINO's? I'm glad Lincoln Chaffee lost.

[Starman417]

The names of all the cowardly Republicans who support this measure can be found here.

[M. Espinola]

Congress "persons", sounds like an insignificant collection of crawling insects :)

[familyop]

LOL! Here's a little admission about that. I studied histories of propaganda for about 10 years or so.