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The Lost Tomb Of Christ–Believable or Baloney?
Yahoo News & Associated Press ^ | February 26, 2007 | Marshall Thompson

Posted on 02/26/2007 3:11:23 PM PST by Billy Jacks blog

JERUSALEM - Archaeologists and clergymen in the Holy Land derided claims in a new documentary produced by the Oscar-winning director James Cameron that contradict major Christian tenets. "The Lost Tomb of Christ," which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries — small caskets used to store bones — discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.

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KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; jamescameron; jamesossuary; jerusalem; jesustomb; simchajacobovici; talpiot
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An Associated Press report by Marshall Thompson out of Jerusalem dated February 26, 2007 discusses a Discovery Channel documentary which alledgedly disproves the bodily resurrection of Jesus. The report says, “‘The Lost Tomb of Christ,’ which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries — small caskets used to store bones — discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.”

That same report goes on to say that claims made in the documentary have come under fire from experts in both religion and archaeology. James Cameron (a director of hollywood fame) is the Executive Producer of this film.

A report in the February 26, 2007 issue of the Jerusalem Post offers a little more detail about the claims of the Discovery Channel special by saying, “According to the website of the Discovery Channel, for whom the ‘Lost Tomb of Jesus’ documentary was produced, Israeli-born filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici and his colleagues have gathered scientific evidence, including DNA analysis conducted at one of the world’s foremost molecular genetics laboratories, as well as expert scholarship, to bolster their staggering claim that a 2,000-year-old cave in the Talpiot neighborhood once held the remains of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary, Mary Magdalene and, possibly, their son Judah.”

DNA analysis was done on samples taken from the bones by the Paleo-DNA Laboratory at Lakehead University in Ontario, Canada. Their conclusion was that the person called Jesus and the person called Mariamene (supposedly Mary Magdalene) were not blood relatives. Since only blood relatives and spouses were traditionally buried in family tombs, they conclude that these two people were married.

Clearly, religious and theological experts object to these things. Rob Schenck is President of the National Clergy Council. Schenck holds degrees in Bible and Theology, Christian Ministry and has completed postgraduate work in the area of church history. In a report filed by Religion & Spirituality.com (http://religionandspirituality.com/currentEvents/view.php?StoryID=20070226-095606-2198r) Mr. Schenck says, “Over the years, Hollywood has attacked and mocked Christianity, providing only negative portrayals of people of faith. It has produced films that undermine moral culture. Hollywood’s production of ‘The Da Vinci Code’ sensationalized a conspiracy theory that the Catholic Church engaged in a cover up of the real story of Jesus operating in the manner of a crime syndicate. According to Cameron, his film is no mere speculation, but historical fact. By claiming the remains of Jesus returned to dust along with other members of his family, the Hollywood filmmaker is denying the divinity of the Son of God and his victory over death. Cameron clearly intended to drive a stake into the heart of Christianity, since without the Resurrection, Jesus was only a mortal man.” Mr. Schenck continues, “Media outlets should exercise restraint in reporting Cameron’s Hollywood fiction masquerading as scientific fact. All of Jesus’ contemporaries recorded Christ rose after being dead for three days and ascended into Heaven. For 2,000 years people of faith along and countless scholars have pored over the Scriptures, confirming their veracity. A Hollywood director is the least qualified to render any determination of Biblical truth. Not only so, but the people Mr. Cameron has partnered with completely lack credibility. One has been discredited by experts as a charlatan. This is nothing more than a modern day circus sideshow. At best it is pure presumption. At worst, it is pure chicanery.” According to the Jerusalme Post article referenced eariler in this report, some archaeological experts agree with Mr. Schenck. The Post says, “Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusalem District archeologist who oversaw work at the tomb when it was uncovered in 1980, told The Jerusalem Post on Saturday that the documentary’s claims were “impossible” and “nonsense,” and that there was “no likelihood” that Jesus and his relatives had a family tomb.”

The Associated Press report by Marshall Thompson cited in the beginning of this report also references a 1996 BBC special that was done on the same subject. Asked what he thought about it at that time, Mr. Kloner replied, “The idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.They just want to get money for it.” The Associated Press report goes on to say, “Kloner also said the filmmakers’ assertions are false. ‘It was an ordinary middle-class Jerusalem burial cave. The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time.’” “Archaeologists also balk at the filmmaker’s claim that the James Ossuary — the center of a famous antiquities fraud in Israel— might have originated from the same cave. In 2005, Israel charged five suspects with forgery in connection with the infamous bone box.”

So, there you have it. As usual, there are “experts” on both sides of this issue. We are left to sort through the facts for ourselves and determine what we believe. One thing is for certain. If the find turns out to be a genuine discovery of the tomb of Jesus Christ, it not only revolutionizes the Christian faith, but it calls into question the entire science of determining the veracity of all ancient documents. An interesting notion, but don’t hold your breath. This will eventually go the way of the Piltdown Man and the James Ossuary as one of the biggest frauds of the archaelogical profession. Peace! Out!

1 posted on 02/26/2007 3:11:26 PM PST by Billy Jacks blog
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To: Billy Jacks blog

Reminds me of Global Warming(tm) in the fact that those who are proposing it have everything to gain by its acceptance as a theory, and nothing to lose.


2 posted on 02/26/2007 3:14:24 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

It's the Lenten season.


3 posted on 02/26/2007 3:14:49 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: Billy Jacks blog
One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son, according to the documentary.

Can anyone venture as guess as to how many people in first-century Judaea would have been called "Judah, son of Jesus?"

4 posted on 02/26/2007 3:15:08 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Billy Jacks blog
I love his show, "the Naked Archeologist", but in it Simcha Jacobovici is constantly jumping to conclusions, and then asking real archeologists about his ideas, only to have them take a much more careful line, "Well, this doesn't prove that, it might suggest something like that, but we need a lot more evidence".

That's what's happening here, I think. Is it possible? Certainly. Have they "definitely" found it? Not by a long shot.

5 posted on 02/26/2007 3:16:16 PM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

BS


6 posted on 02/26/2007 3:16:32 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Paloma_55

19 posts and counting...


7 posted on 02/26/2007 3:16:48 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

"...may have contained the bones of Jesus...."

"...may have contained the bones of Chewbacca the Wookiee..."

What Baloney!!!


8 posted on 02/26/2007 3:17:24 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Paloma_55

It's advertising for a Hollywood TV special.


9 posted on 02/26/2007 3:19:08 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

Uh...yeah...just one little problem with that - Jesus rose from the tomb. His bones ain't here anymore!


10 posted on 02/26/2007 3:20:21 PM PST by alicewonders (I like Duncan Hunter for President in 2008!)
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To: GoldenPup

"...may have contained the bones of Jesus...."



Actually, I doubt these are the bones of Jesus. Last year I was in Mexico and I saw the gravesite of Jesus. He could not have been buried in Israel AND Mexico!


11 posted on 02/26/2007 3:21:00 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

12 posted on 02/26/2007 3:21:03 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: GoldenPup

This reminds me of Don Novello as Father Guido Sarducci on Saturday Night Live. In one segment, he had journeyed to the Holy Land where "some guy on the street was selling real pieces of the Cross!"


13 posted on 02/26/2007 3:21:39 PM PST by laconic
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

As you say. "Jesus" is a variant of "Joshua," and naturally there were plenty of people named after this heroic figure.

The same with "Judah," the name of the head of that tribe after whom the Jews are named.

Sort of like "Smith, son of Jones," or "Tom, son of Bill."


14 posted on 02/26/2007 3:23:44 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: alicewonders
What if some archaeologist happened across the remains of Muhammad. Would ya think there would be the same tame responses as this Ripley's Believe it or Not one seems.
15 posted on 02/26/2007 3:24:13 PM PST by shadeaud
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To: Paloma_55

Geraldo Rivera alert!


16 posted on 02/26/2007 3:24:46 PM PST by bigbob (2)
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To: Paloma_55

Good point (LOL)


17 posted on 02/26/2007 3:24:54 PM PST by Billy Jacks blog (billyjacksblog.com)
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To: alicewonders

AMEN sister!


18 posted on 02/26/2007 3:27:22 PM PST by Billy Jacks blog (billyjacksblog.com)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

Did they also find an autographed 8x10 glossy photograph? ;)


19 posted on 02/26/2007 3:29:05 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Billy Jacks blog

>>At best it is pure presumption.<<

That was my reaction when I first read of this.


20 posted on 02/26/2007 3:30:23 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: Billy Jacks blog

This is PITIFUL!! A HOLLYWOOD person finds the Tomb of Jesus....HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH They THINK we are STUPID!!


21 posted on 02/26/2007 3:32:13 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Billy Jacks blog

“The idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.They just want to get money for it.”

I think this is the modern equivalent of that "Chariots of the Gods" baloney going on in the 1980's.


22 posted on 02/26/2007 3:32:17 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son




lol I love the logical fallacies in that one


23 posted on 02/26/2007 3:33:36 PM PST by MK11
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To: Billy Jacks blog
Yeah...so where's the sign that says, "Jesus slept here?"

They're hiding something, I tell you!

24 posted on 02/26/2007 3:34:39 PM PST by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: xcamel

19 posts don't bother me at all. This is the first one I have seen. I don't think I would have thought of signing on and thinking, "let me see if there are posts on Jesus." Understand?


25 posted on 02/26/2007 3:36:11 PM PST by Dave W
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To: MK11

One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son



Ya see, this is where they reveal their flawed thinking.

When I was in Mexico, right next to Jesus' grave was the grave of his son, Manuel.


26 posted on 02/26/2007 3:36:43 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: RobRoy

What was that baloney from the 80s I missed?


27 posted on 02/26/2007 3:38:07 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Dave W

some are to lazy to search, others are too lazy to even scroll down.


28 posted on 02/26/2007 3:39:44 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: MizSterious

"Did they find an autographed 8 x 10 glossy?"

Sure did. It read, "With love, J"


29 posted on 02/26/2007 3:40:13 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Dave W
Actually, I did do a search using the words lost, tomb, christ, hidden, jesus, documentary, and discovery channel. All of them turned up nothing. I guess I still don't get this duplication thing. Sorry for any inconvenience guys, but I thought the additional info and sources in my explanation would add to the discussion.

Billy Jack
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30 posted on 02/26/2007 3:40:44 PM PST by Billy Jacks blog (billyjacksblog.com)
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To: Billy Jacks blog
The Lost Tomb Of Christ–Believable or Baloney?

Total BS !!!!!!!!

31 posted on 02/26/2007 3:45:25 PM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

I sit here and roll my eyes at these idiots as many of you do. Had this been something about Mo-Ham-Head there would be different reactions from his followers.


32 posted on 02/26/2007 3:45:44 PM PST by feedback doctor (Mark Sanford - 2008)
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To: Retired Chemist
Ahh yes, I recall the "Judas Gospel" being a hit last lent. And wasn't that story a few weeks after the Jesus walked on ice-not-water story?

In genreral, Hollywood is so predictible these days. I knew a story like this was gonna come out this lent, just like I knew that the Dixie Chicks were gonna get some Grammys, and Al Gore his Oscars this year (Despite terrible sales for either of them!).

33 posted on 02/26/2007 3:50:10 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Dave W

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22CHARIOTS+OF+THE+GODS%22

It's pretty funny to look back on it now.


34 posted on 02/26/2007 3:50:24 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: Billy Jacks blog

Sounds like Cameron is jonesing for a trophy, since an idiot like algore just got one for a bull$h1t mockumentary. And that slimeball jolie is joining the council on foreign relations. What qualifies any of these pinko blowhards? Forget al quaeda, I'd worry about whorelywierds influence over the feeble-minded of this country.


35 posted on 02/26/2007 3:51:06 PM PST by roamincadillac (Boycott Hollywood.)
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To: xcamel

How arrogant. How do you know what to search for, if you don't know that an item exists? Please do your policing elsewhere.


36 posted on 02/26/2007 3:52:32 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Billy Jacks blog

I just realized that James Cameron will come on and say the proof was faxed to him from a Kinko's in Texas.

I think we need to see the Photoshoppers produce a few pics of the headstone, you know, modern fonts, and maybe the dates:
Born 4 B.C.
Died 29 A.D.


37 posted on 02/26/2007 3:53:21 PM PST by feedback doctor (Mark Sanford - 2008)
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To: RobRoy

I do remember all that. They still ruminate and ponder these things on the radio show Coast to Coast...a howler of a show. Thank you.


38 posted on 02/26/2007 3:55:02 PM PST by Dave W
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To: feedback doctor
If you want to get a flavor for the quality of this guy's scholarship, Google on "Titanic Mistakes".
39 posted on 02/26/2007 3:55:40 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Dave W
I have heard this lame-a$$ excuse sooo many times - If you're looking at a title of a story you've got all the search criteria you'll ever need right in front of you -- oh wait -- you didn't even post the article - how telling.
40 posted on 02/26/2007 3:58:32 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel
You missed my point, like I thought you would. I am writing from the perspective of someone NOT posting but, instead, reading the posts. As a reader, if someone had not posted this particular article at this particular spot in Free Republic, I would have missed it.

I would have missed it because I would not have known to search for this particular topic, because I did not know this particular topic existed. Get it?

So therefore, I am thankful there are multiple posts on some issues because I do not look at every specific post. Understand now?

The post police are so concerned with pointing out multiple posts, that you people have such a hard time looking at it from the reader perspective and not the poster perspective.

42 posted on 02/26/2007 4:13:45 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Billy Jacks blog
What happened to the old line: "And on the third day He..."

Where's All Bore taking credit for this discovery?


43 posted on 02/26/2007 8:17:34 PM PST by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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thanks go to GoLightly and xcamel for compiling the list (thus far) of such topics:

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44 posted on 02/26/2007 10:12:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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45 posted on 02/26/2007 10:12:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Billy Jacks blog

I always wondered who is buried in Grant's tomb....


46 posted on 02/26/2007 10:16:07 PM PST by woofie
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To: Retired Chemist

They gave up Jesus for Lent?


47 posted on 02/26/2007 10:18:15 PM PST by woofie
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Some dude on Nightline said there were like 71 cases of finding tombs with Jesus, Mary and Joseph as occupants. The names were that common. DUH.
Hollyweird is trying there best to sell this one of 71. Where did they get God's DNA to compare? They must think we're stoooooooopid.
48 posted on 02/26/2007 10:28:33 PM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Billy Jacks blog
I'm not a Christian, However, a major component of all Christian belief is the Resurrection of Christ-ergo, no body. I'm surprised that believers are not fighting this "discovery" as herasy.
49 posted on 02/27/2007 5:45:21 AM PST by gallaxyglue (Have we lost our civilization as we know it?)
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To: gallaxyglue

The nature of true Christianity is to "turn the other cheek." As with all religions, there are Christian extremists who do not practice that. However, mainstream Christians live according to the principles of Jesus who was silent before His accusers "...like a sheep led to slaughter." Truth has nothing to fear from examination. If you know what you believe and you are living it every day, these kinds of fluff attacks that are here today and gone tomorrow are really no big deal.

Billy Jack
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50 posted on 02/27/2007 12:14:46 PM PST by Billy Jacks blog (billyjacksblog.com)
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