Posted on 02/28/2007 7:58:26 AM PST by dead
AL Capone's vault has met its match.
I'm no scientist, but after watching a bunch of people who are scientists sift through the dust and bones of a 2000-year-old family burial chamber in Jerusalem, I have to offer this unscientific conclusion: There ain't no way them bones belong to Jesus.
Or, if they are his bones, they don't come anywhere near proving it in "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," the Discovery Channel documentary that is supposed to rock Christianity to its very foundations.
Well, I have some good news for Christianity: Your foundations are safe.
Why were they going to be rocked in the first place? Because if the bones turned out to be Jesus', then the long-held Christian belief that he was resurrected bodily from his grave would have to be reconsidered - perhaps limited to a resurrection that was "merely" spiritual in nature.
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Laboratories from Israel to Ontario were enlisted to analyze genetic material from old bones and train "electron microprobes" on tiny mounds of patina scraped from the sides of the limestone bone boxes (called "ossuaries").
The tests were aimed at determining if the bones belonged to people who were related to each other and whether the ossuaries came out of the same cave. FYI: The results varied.
The whole process began when scholars realized that the names inscribed on these particular ossuaries mirrored those of the known (or suspected) members of Jesus' family.
What are the odds that this group of people with names common to their place and time were the family of Jesus Christ?
Despite the best efforts of a statistician recruited to stand up the show's hypothesis, the odds remain long indeed.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
more anti-Christian propaganda...
That is the funniest picture ever. Thanks for a great laugh.
A classic!
Imagine the Discovery Channel trying to attack Christianity. Just shocking...
Maybe Jimmy Hoffa.
"I found the tomb of Alexander the Great"
"Big deal. Someone already found it"
"Jesus!"
"What? You found the tomb of Jesus?"
"Huh? Oh yeah, I found Jesus' tomb. And Mary. And Marvin"
"Marvin?"
"Jesus' son. Marvin"
"Marvin is not a Biblical name"
"Oh, sorry. It was smudged. It was uhh...er...Judas!!"
"Judas?? He named His son after His betrayer?"
"Huh? Oh, no. That was a big..uh..mix up. Entrapment. That's it".
"Hey, Jesus was inscribed with a Sharpie".
"A miracle!!"
Jimmy Hoffa just went home. It was all explained in a documentary called "Men in Black".
All they have to do to establish paternity is to get some DNA from his Father. I'd love to see that process.
Not neccessarily; perhaps the empty ossuary was symbolic of the ressurrection at the time of its placement in the tomb. Who knows what the thinking was at that time of those involved in this burial. The finding of these items does in no way prove, either possitively or negatively, anything about Jesus Christ.
It is either just a coincidence or further addition to the mystery.
When are they going to do a documentary about the wives of Muhammed, including the 7 year old girl he was "married" to?
If James Cameron had done a documentary about Islam,
the islamofascists would already have beheaded this fool.
"But the Da Vinci Code said that Jesus had a daughter!"
"Well, the name on that coffin must be 'Judy' instead of Judas"
"Hey, does this mean the Koran is wrong about prophet Jesus/Isa being taken up to Allah?"
(sound of crickets chirping)
Cool pic! Imagine idiots expecting to find remains in what they think is Jesus' tomb. DUH!
;-)
Can we get the Heinekin looter guy in the picture too?
LOL!
Which is dustier, the two thousand year old tomb, or the empty space between the scientists ears? These self-absorbed academics need to get their elitist noses out of the dark and dirty world, and spend some time in the Bible and appreciate the real light. Enjoy some SONshine!
Obviously, none of us has seen it, so I will watch and judge the conclusions for myself, but...
From what I have read, here are things that I already question:
This tomb was discovered almost 30 years ago, and I'm suspicious that all of a sudden it's big news. If this is really so remarkable then I think we would have heard something sooner.
The inscriptions are in different languages.
They claim it's Mary Magdalene but that's not what the inscriptions says. It uses the form of Mary used to refer to Magdalene, and then tack on this 'e Mara' (the Master) which depicts a whole other side to Mary than depicted in the Bible, and it's just too convenient.
I'm suspicious of an ossuary that gives a Title to a female unless they can show plenty of other evidence of female's being identified in tombs with Titles.
Jose is not identified as the son of Josef on the ossuaries and neither is Mattiu, but Jesus is and so is Yaaqov. So, why assume that they were all brothers, when only 2 ossuaries indicate siblings.
Apparently they haven't done DNA testing on all the remains, so I just don't see what they think they have that proves anything. Other than the remains of Jesus and the remains of Mariamene supposedly show that they are not related, and I guess you might assume that Mariamene was the wife of somebody in that tomb.
They guy who managed the excavation of this site says 'nothing to see here' meaning he doesn't see any significance to the cluster of names, and says this tomb is a middle class family from Jerusalem, not a family from Galilee.
The hype of this discovery obviously is gonna receive backlash from Christians, but it's gonna get even harher remarks from people who might have an open mind because the claims they are making in advertising this are extremely misleading.
It's gonna fall on its face like that Discovery Channel's most recent Al Capone Vault documentary they did which hyped the discovery of the real Atlantis. How many of you were taken along for that 2-hour ride to nowhere?
This whole thing reminds me of a story Steven Wright told about a friend of his that spent an enormous amount of government funding to find out who built the pyramids. After several years of research, his friend's conclusion was that "he was pretty sure it was some guy named Eddie."
The hadith says her "nurse" (the didn't have doctors and nurses in nomadic Bedouin tribes in those days, she was a wet nurse) came and got her from a swing, and after being led by the hand to her house (tent) she was out of breath. A nine year old wouldn't be nursing, and certainly wouldn't be out of breath being led by an older women with lactating breasts. She was placed in Mohammad's lap which indicates her small size, under 6 years old.
later scribes have changed her age to 9 so as to cover the embarrassing fact about Mohammad raping a baby. But they couldn't abrogate it well enough to cover those other detils which give her true age away. She was but a nursing baby child, rapd by a 54 year old murdering pedophile.
Hollywood got the part of the message "Americans enjoy Christian themed movies". Obviously they didn't get the part "so long as those movies aren't about how Christianity is a bunch of hooey".
funny thing about rocks: you can't determine when anything was carved on them. Those names could have been carved yesterday adn there wouldn't be any reliable method of proving it.
This 'discovery' is 25 years old. how come it took so long for such a blockbueter to get out???
I smell the "Cardiff Giant"
Based on this type of scholarship both the Hitler and Howard Hughes diaries not to mention the Piltdown Man are all authentic. I'm waiting for the Discovery Channel to show Jesus' high school graduation photo and the bill for the last supper.
I don't believe a word of it. The ossuary is an obvious ploy to get christians to throw away their "relics'. I am proud of my piece of " John the Baptists skull', a vial of 'Mother Mary's milk' and a wisp of 'hair from Peter'....
Sure are a lot of threads for a decades old non-story. Coast covered this well last night.
[drumroll]
Jimmy Hoffa!
[rimshot]
Thank you! Thank you! I'm here all week - try the veal!
"...the bill for the last supper."
I always assumed they paid cash. I wonder, was it separate checks, and since there were over 8 in the party, was an 18% tip added on?
I had the same thought when this event first came up, but I bit my tongue because I despise three pages of scripture quotations as "argument".
I can separate my faith (still healthy and strong) from scientific discussions.
Well...
There's a complication here.
The story of Jesus is that he actually and physically ascended; no written contradiction among the Gospels.
Mohamed did his "ascention" in a dream.
If I have a dream that I ascended, does that make it "real"?
If not, why not?
Thus was mohamedanism established, and idolatry rooted out, even in mohamed's lifetime (for he died the next year [633]) throughout all Arabia, except only Yamama, where Moiselama, who set up also as a prophet as mohamed's competitor, had a great party, and was not reduced till the Khalifat of Abu Becr: and the Arabs, being then united in one faith and under one prince, found themselves in a condition of making those conquests, which extended the mohammedan faith over so great a part of the world"
I remember him using that quite a few years ago- more than 10 IIRC. Does he still do stand up comedy? Nevermind, I'll go and answer my own question. :-)
LOL. You are a genius!
There is no scientific support for this sort of tabloid documentary. all archeologists I've seen interviewed call this movie maker's thesis: nonsense.
Love the picture! LOL!
I never watch it myself, but I always thought the Discovery Channel was at least moderately serious. Is their other stuff of this -- I hestitate to use the word -- calibre?
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"Well, the name on that coffin must be 'Judy' instead of Judas"
No sweat:
Cheers!
Ain't going to happen. These people don't have a snowballs chance in hell of making it to Heaven. (Wait, was that confusing?)
I thought He liked Coke :-)
Dead,
You own me a new keyboard, new monitor and whatever it cost for the trip to ER.
My God that was funny.
I watch a lot of documentary programming, and all the channels -- A&E, Discovery, History, TLC, Court TV, and so on -- can be hit or miss. They all feature a lot of "reality TV" and things like ghost stories, "psychic detectives" and the search for Bigfoot that lead me to change the channel.
Most of their programming is good, entertaining, factual and somewhat informative, but not particularly in-depth or insightful. Most of the Bill Kurtis ouevre falls in that category for me. Maybe 10% is really gripping and educational.
I haven't observed that any one channel is consistently better than the others, except that PBS, which has far fewer hours of documentaries than the networks that carry them 24 hours, has consistently more depth and higher production values. To what degree that's offset by bias or agenda is an argument I'll leave aside for now.
At least I know I'm not missing much -- thanks!
The Kerry pic........now that's funny!!!!!!!!
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