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Giuliani Speaks at CPAC (CSPAN) LIVE
CSPAN ^ | 3/1/07

Posted on 03/02/2007 8:40:17 AM PST by areafiftyone

All day today we are covering speakers and panels at the 34th Annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, DC. This morning, we'll hear from Republican presidential hopeful former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. He will be followed by Reps. Scott Garrett (NJ), Tom Tancredo (CO), and others.

CLICK ON THE MAIN CSPAN PAGE HERE


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cpac; cpac2007; giuliani; rino; rudy; rudy2008; rudygiuliani
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I never lied, I lost count of the times you said you were leaving, or had left.

See. Another lie.

1,101 posted on 03/02/2007 2:33:48 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Besides continuing to champion the defense of America, FR just might become the "Conservative Conscience of the Republican Party," ie, we may become a real thorn in the side of moderate/liberal Republicanism.

Sign me up Mr Robinson. Here's hoping the Ghoulie-annies have to spit after they say my screen name by the time the primaries start.

1,102 posted on 03/02/2007 2:35:23 PM PST by metalurgist ("For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?" No to Rudy)
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To: onyx
"It's NOT your discussion or mine. "

Once again, please show me where I cannot respond to an FR post.

1,103 posted on 03/02/2007 2:35:29 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: USMMA_83
How many times must I say FR is a conservative site? We do not support abortionism, homosexualism, feminisim, environmentalism, gun control, liberalism, socialism, etc, etc, etc. When I say I suspect we will become even more conservative than we already are, possibly via attrition if nothing else, what do you think I'm referring to? When FR starts pushing hard and I mean hard against abortion, gay marriage, homosexual education forced on our school children, pandering to illegal aliens, gun control, McCaine-Feingold type usurpation, global warming, etc, etc, even if supported or advanced by the GOP, then I fully suspect certain types of moderate/liberal Republican supporters are probably going to be a little uncomfortable here. We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and I'm afraid that's going to piss off some folks.
1,104 posted on 03/02/2007 2:36:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: EternalVigilance
I shouldn't have to apologize for you flip-flopping on your principles. 

To: EternalVigilance

I didn't lie. You said you were going to leave the GOP. I figured you stood by your principles and followed your heart and leave. I didn't think you would become a flip-flopper. I shouldn't have to apologize for that, even though I remember you said you were leaving the GOP almost 2 years ago.

138 posted on 03/02/2007 11:23:50 AM MST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
Which of course you didn't respond to.
1,105 posted on 03/02/2007 2:36:49 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: NittanyLion

Unfortunately, it probably won't.


1,106 posted on 03/02/2007 2:37:21 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TX Conservative

Good post. Come back again.


1,107 posted on 03/02/2007 2:37:27 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: dirtboy
Once again, please show me where I cannot respond to an FR post.

Do you need a rule in order to act like a respectful person? And if so, isn't that the way liberals think?

1,108 posted on 03/02/2007 2:37:29 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: don-o

Right on! Couldn't have said it better myself.


1,109 posted on 03/02/2007 2:38:00 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Sunsong
"Do you need a rule in order to act like a respectful person?"

Coming from you, that's pretty funny.

1,110 posted on 03/02/2007 2:38:20 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Peach
It strikes our funny bones that grown men are so sensitive and needing to bring in the "big guy" because they just can't stand the thought that we support a Republican they don't like.

Grown as in age, or emotionally? I see lots of college freshmen here.

Now I'm posting pictures.

1,111 posted on 03/02/2007 2:39:05 PM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Gabz
As I said in a previous post, I haven't decided if I will support Guiliani in the primaries yet, but nothing you have posted has given me a good reason to NOT support him.......Hmmmmmmmmm

************

Seriously, are you joking?

1,112 posted on 03/02/2007 2:39:05 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Hildy
Let's make a deal right now...if Guiliani wins, we go to his inauguration!

Oh, man, I am SO planning to be there. Is it rude for me to try to drop in on your party?

1,113 posted on 03/02/2007 2:39:31 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: dirtboy

Reply all you want but the question was NOT posed to you.

It was a serious question posed to Jim.

He can answer for himself.


GROW UP --- not every post or question warrants a reply by you. I'll wager you wear out a set of knee pads every day.



1,114 posted on 03/02/2007 2:40:07 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: dirtboy

Can't answer the question?


1,115 posted on 03/02/2007 2:41:08 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: M. Thatcher; Hildy
Oh, man, I am SO planning to be there. Is it rude for me to try to drop in on your party?

More the merrier.

1,116 posted on 03/02/2007 2:41:13 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Hang it up. Your twisting and lying is getting you nowhere.


1,117 posted on 03/02/2007 2:41:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: onyx
"I'll wager you wear out a set of knee pads every day. "

All this from someone bemoaning the lack of civility.

Maybe you could edit the FR mission statement into something more acceptable for you and share it with us.

1,118 posted on 03/02/2007 2:41:51 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: USMMA_83
It's not really my place to say, USM, but I think JR means essentially that FR is a place that is usually Republican but only to the extent that such (Republican support) supports conservatism.

Of course no candidate, republican or otherwise, combines the perfect array of 100% conservative views with good speaking and writing ability, good leadership and good administrative skills -- and, unfortunately perhaps, good fundraising ability.

But the question always arises, Where do you draw the line? Is Rudy too far left to be supported (in the general, I mean)?

For some, probably including me, the answer is a reluctant no, a decision to go with "Democrat prevention." For JR and others, it's too unbearable as a matter of conscience.

1,119 posted on 03/02/2007 2:42:48 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Jim Robinson
That's all fair and fine. So, you find a few posters here who are not your "die-hard" conservatives. Do you push them away, or attempt to sway them, educate them to our point of view? Your current stand only alienates them and then what do you achieve. A more conservative site. Yes, but a site that is no longer in the game. You are on the outside looking in. How does that achieve anything other than abject failure, albeit a principled one.
1,120 posted on 03/02/2007 2:43:20 PM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: metalurgist; Jim Robinson
Sign me up Mr Robinson. Here's hoping the Ghoulie-annies have to spit after they say my screen name by the time the primaries start.

I'm already there. *grin*

1,121 posted on 03/02/2007 2:43:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Hang it up. Your twisting and lying is getting you nowhere.

Coming from you, using your own words, that's pretty funny. Don't quite your day job, though. There could never be another Sam Kinison.

1,122 posted on 03/02/2007 2:44:24 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Howlin

The answer is in my statements like these:

I've already stated that FR will probably become even more conservative than it already is, through attrition if nothing else. Besides continuing to champion the defense of America, FR just might become the "Conservative Conscience of the Republican Party," ie, we may become a real thorn in the side of moderate/liberal Republicanism. Someone has to try defend the party from completely tossing out traditional American conservatism. Might as well be us.


How many times must I say FR is a conservative site? We do not support abortionism, homosexualism, feminisim, environmentalism, gun control, liberalism, socialism, etc, etc, etc. When I say I suspect we will become even more conservative than we already are, possibly via attrition if nothing else, what do you think I'm referring to? When FR starts pushing hard and I mean hard against abortion, gay marriage, homosexual education forced on our school children, pandering to illegal aliens, gun control, McCaine-Feingold type usurpation, global warming, etc, etc, even if supported or advanced by the GOP, then I fully suspect certain types of moderate/liberal Republican supporters are probably going to be a little uncomfortable here. We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and I'm afraid that's going to piss off some folks.


And I'll borrow a slogan used by the NFRA that I realy like:

"We are the 'Republican' Wing of the Republcan Party!"


1,123 posted on 03/02/2007 2:45:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: dirtboy



Civility? You tossed civility weeks ago. Like I said, you're not only a nanny, you're the number one butt kisser and tattle tale and that's saying something, given the competition around here.


1,124 posted on 03/02/2007 2:45:52 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

OT:

God, I miss Sam Kinison. A guilty pleasure.


1,125 posted on 03/02/2007 2:46:25 PM PST by pogo101
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To: pogo101
I can appreciate that...I plan on supporting Duncan, but if Rudy wins, I support the GOP nominee...because the prospect of a Democrat Pres and Congress is unbearable. I might as well start learning Arabic!
1,126 posted on 03/02/2007 2:46:38 PM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: pogo101

I do too. Greatest comedian who ever lived.


1,127 posted on 03/02/2007 2:47:11 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: USMMA_83

That will be their decision to make not mine.


Gotta go. Will be back later tonight after the rally.

God bless our troops!!


1,128 posted on 03/02/2007 2:47:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: USMMA_83
"How does that achieve anything other than abject failure"

How does going along with the leftward lurch of the Rudy boosters achieve conservative victories?

If I have learned anything about pubbie leaders in recent years, it is that they will try to run left and grab power if you don't give them a good swift yank on the leash from time to time. We failed to provide that yank enough times, and we got 2006 for our troubles. 2008, if Rudy is nominated, will make 2006 look like a minor setback.

1,129 posted on 03/02/2007 2:47:47 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
As long as there are girls who disappear (white pretty girls) there will be little political or important news of note. This has been obvious for a couple of years now.

Ouch!

1,130 posted on 03/02/2007 2:47:53 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen.


1,131 posted on 03/02/2007 2:48:27 PM PST by tioga
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To: dirtboy

Looks like you touched a nerve...LOL.


1,132 posted on 03/02/2007 2:49:03 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: USMMA_83
As a Duncan Hunter supporter, I can honestly say that you single handedly have galvanised support for Rudy more than anyone else on this thread. Maybe that's your plan all along. It's the ol' good-cop, bad-cop routine.

*************

I doubt it. There are a few here who claim on a number of threads that either they or some mysterious "others" have turned to Giuliani as a result of the vitriol of the Hunter supporters. The fact that they have spewed more ugliness than the "Hunter" group seems not to affect their view of these threads.

1,133 posted on 03/02/2007 2:50:25 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dirtboy
Listen, my question is simple...I support Duncan, but if he does not get the GOP nomination, and Rudy does...I will support the GOP. Will you?

I can't let the DEMs win the presidency. It's too scary a prospect to have Hillary as Pres.

1,134 posted on 03/02/2007 2:50:28 PM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: onyx
"Civility? You tossed civility weeks ago."

Oh, I tried being civil. And saw bogus attacks on conservative organizations and candidates. And I don't recall you ever posting on the open forum that a few of your buddies doing such should stop. They declared war. And now they and you are whining about what resulted.

So it's a bit late to try and pretend you've taken the high road here.

1,135 posted on 03/02/2007 2:50:53 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy



I'm not whining about a damn thing.


1,136 posted on 03/02/2007 2:51:36 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: USMMA_83
"Will you?"

I haven't decided if I could or not. If Rudy were nominated, I would have to see what he said and did in the runup to the general election.

I do know that I would have divots in my nose that dwarf those from 1996.

1,137 posted on 03/02/2007 2:52:15 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: onyx
"I'm not whining about a damn thing."

All you've done on this thread is whine about me. Get a grip. Seriously, chill out.

1,138 posted on 03/02/2007 2:53:22 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: don-o

I agree with over 90% of how Jim defines this site -- that's why I'm here. There are a couple of issues I disagree with, but that doesn't bother me at all, and Jim has never struck me as someone demanding 100% compliance.

I hope that Jim continues to defend those principles and maintains Free Republic as a site that fights for those principles. I believe the vast majority of Freepers agree with that.

But when it comes to party politics and elections, neither Jim nor any of us get to define the candidates, the parties, who runs or who doesn't. We all have a free choice to support candidates and we all have the right to vote (except for MadIvan) -- but we usually do not get to vote in November Leap Years for candidates who agree 90% or more with the above. In some states, like Maine, 50% is the best that is politically possible.

In 1980, we had a great campaigner who was also quite conservative. I was 100% behind Reagan. That summer I met GHWB on my campus (senior year) after he was nominated at VP. Had Free Republic existed then, my guess is Reagan would have been the overwhelming choice.

This cycle it is more difficult. We're not facing an unpopular Jimmy Carter. We've had instead eight years of an increasingly unpopular Republican President. The 'rats are gaining ground -- although their perfomance in Congress so far shows that they are not ready for prime time. Winning the White House next year will not be easy.

We need a good candidate. Rudy is by far the best known, most popular, most able to appeal to the whole country (especially independents), most respected among elected Republicans, and the least conservative. McCain is viewed as a weasel. Romney has several problems. Gingrich may not run, and he has a lot of baggage. The other candidates are mini-mees.

Some Freepers -- like me -- believe Rudy is the clear choice despite his liberal views on some issues because his promise to appoint originalist Justices mitigates his personal social views, because he has the best chance to win, and because of his track record in NYC on issues like taxes, crime, economic growth, etc. I also believe there isn't another candidate out there with anywhere near as good a chance at winning.

Other Freepers -- including our illustrious Founder and Owner -- believe on principle that supporting Rudy is unacceptable because of his positions on issues of deep concern such as abortion and gun rights are unacceptable. They doubt his pledge on Justices -- fair point -- and/or refuse to support him even if he would appoint originalists because he is just personally not what they want to see in 1600 PA Ave. After eight years of Bubba that is understandable.

What I think needs to be said is that sincere, honest differences over the better strategery -- oppose or support Rudy -- should not be confused with the basic mission statement of Free Republic. I believe electing Rudy is the best chance to advance those principles -- given our other, limited choices. Others disagree. But at least for me, with only limited choices I do not accept that voting for any candidate means I endorse all of his views. I don't. And I suspect most of the Rudy supporters do not accept all of his views either.

I support Jim 100% sticking by his guns on the mission of Free Republic, and I hope Howlin and other Freeper Warriors stick to their guns too. Candidates and politicians come and go -- principles are timeless.


1,139 posted on 03/02/2007 2:54:57 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and I'm afraid that's going to piss off some folks.

Well said. I just kicked in an extra donation to FR, and invite those who feel the same way I do to respond in the same manner.

1,140 posted on 03/02/2007 2:56:20 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: dirtboy

I have done no such thing. I'll tell you what --- post to others and please ignore me.


1,141 posted on 03/02/2007 2:56:52 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: dirtboy

LOL!


1,142 posted on 03/02/2007 2:57:51 PM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: dirtboy

You are a real piece of work


1,143 posted on 03/02/2007 2:58:52 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sunsong
And if so, isn't that the way liberals think?

************

You tell us. How do liberals think, Sunsong?

1,144 posted on 03/02/2007 2:59:09 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: onyx
Hey, you are the one who came in attacking me.

But if you want me to not post to you, no problem. Please reciprocrate, however.

1,145 posted on 03/02/2007 2:59:37 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: EternalVigilance
See, that's just the thing. When you call Rudy "liberal", your extreme rhetoric turns off any reasonable debate. I mean, if Rudy is "liberal" (or a "radical liberal" as he's been called by another), then what do we call Ted Kennedy? How do we refer to algore?

Words have meaning and you alienate yourself from reasoned discussions when you grossly & ridiculously overstate your case.
1,146 posted on 03/02/2007 2:59:54 PM PST by I_like_good_things_too (Don't make perfect the enemy of the good)
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To: USMMA_83; Luis Gonzales

As I was telling Luis a few weeks ago, I haven't decided if I would vote for Rudy or join the Hari Krishnas.


1,147 posted on 03/02/2007 3:00:24 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy

Well, the Hari Krishna's are definitly more conservative than Rudy. Pick your poison.


1,148 posted on 03/02/2007 3:01:26 PM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: Jim Robinson

Gitty Up!


1,149 posted on 03/02/2007 3:01:42 PM PST by commonguymd
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To: Jim Robinson; Peach; Howlin; All
FR is a conservative site. We fight FOR the first and second amendments. We fight for traditional American conservative values. We fight for God, country, family, life and liberty!

Could I address a question to you about how the fight should be waged. As an anti-Rudy who has addressed and won’t support the attacks made, particularly graphically, against Rudy supporters.

Since you mention the 2nd amendment, let’s use that as an example, it’s less controversial here, and a clear Rudy loser. I should note there have been a couple threads on which there were quite rational conversations, I don’t have the links handy, but maybe someone (or me later) will post them because that’s a better case for a factual discussion.

Rudy has bragged about taking 70,000 “guns” off the streets of NY. At least 30,000 of those were from newly minted “Rudy criminals”, law abiding citizens with concealed carry permits, which were revoked, making them criminals unless they surrendered their handguns. My guess the lucky ones who had the option of taking them to their summer home in the Hamptons kept their permits.

I’m not a photoshop person, if I was, how should I display this graphically?

Option 1, a picture of Rudy speaking, bragging about confiscating 30,000 handguns from law abiding citizens. Perhaps with commentary. I can support that.

Option 2, a pic similar to Elian being kidnapped, Rudy, jack booted thug, dressed in swat gear, grabbing guns from a citizen’s home (I can support the gungrabber charge) while kicking little children to the ground, as an accomplice (Kerrick?) molests the lady of the house.

Some people would like #2, I see it’s equivalent here every day.

Gun ownership is an important issue in America.

It’s one I think worth voting on. Many people agree with me.

The GOA has 30,000 members, a significant number.

The NRA, I’m a life member, 4,000,000, hopefully growing. Always in the top 5 lobbying groups.

Gunowners in America, estimated at 80,000,000 plus.

Option 2 might appeal to the GOA and some of the NRA members, and I’ll kick the number to 5,000,000 to include other gun owning groups. And I’ll assume option 2 will appeal to all of them.

Of course they’re probably on our side already.

My question is, not that we have 5,000,000 potential voters who recognize Rudy isn’t a gungrabber, how do we approach the other 95,000,000.

I would suggest option 2 isn’t the way to do it.

Anecdotal only. I don’t have polls, and I’m not going to pull out quotations about honey, sugar, vinegar, etc.

But I think it’s a mistake.

1,150 posted on 03/02/2007 3:01:55 PM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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