Posted on 03/02/2007 6:31:06 PM PST by DeerfieldObserver
German brother and sister are challenging the law against incest so that they can continue their relationship free from the threat of imprisonment. Patrick Stübing, an unemployed locksmith, and his sister Susan have had four children together since starting a sexual relationship in 2000. Three of the children are in foster care, and two have unspecified disabilities.
The couple, who live near Leipzig, grew up separately and only met many years later. Their supporters say they will fight until incest is no longer regarded as a criminal offence, arguing that the law is out of date. They say it harks back to the racial hygiene laws of the Third Reich and should be overturned in favour of freedom of choice and sexual determination. Detractors insist that incest should remain a social taboo, largely because of the risks linked to inbreeding and the imbalance in social relations it inevitably causes.
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I found it!
Enjoy. Errr no don't.
http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2006-09-28/news/daddy-s-girl/full
Fricking knee-jerk idiot Ping. You don't know what the Hell you're talking about.
No fooling. Talk about total selfishness on the part of these idiot so-called "parents". Sterilization isn't good enough for either of them.
I tried to tell that to a member of the KKK a while back. But of course I used the words "racial purity" instead.... Same results though, just look at the skin heads/KKK/neo-nazi's now and you'll realize where racial purity leads to.
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They already have four children.
What's your point?
To me this is the face of American poverty.
Incest? I thought the Germans were more into poo.
That home-schooling story has several different sides to it. This Melissa Busekros...has some type of emotional issue with school...either the stress of it or simply inability to study. The fact is that on grade points...the school failed her at the conclusion of the 2006 period (summer). They wanted her to repeat...which is kind of amusing that she was in the high-class atmosphere (gymnasium)...and mom probably could have gotten moved to easier classes at some local "Real" school (the middle school of the German system). But mom didn't want that. Mom went the route of home schooling...which is illegal by German law. The interesting point to this...there are other kids in the house...which stayed in the regular German school system...they didn't have issues. Adding to this mess...once this girl turns 16...if she wants to just do apprentice work and forget about school...she could do so. She is very close to that point of turning 16...so the school system could have looked the other way and forgot about this whole thing. Finally...the element of being in Bavaria also plays into this episode...they are pro-family and generally have a strong view of relgion in their minds. As of this week...the girl is still in government control...at a house which the parents know nothing about. The girl is brought once a week, by court-direction to a neutral site where the parents can see the girl.
If the parents really wanted to stir the pot here...they merely need to bring the story of the French hero...Joan of Arc...to this young girl held by the authorities...and simply give her the courage to rise above the German authorities. Joan of Arc had strength to lead a nation and a army...and even in prison...could not be held back.
No insult taken.
Medieval Roman Catholic "incest" laws (usually applied just to royalty and the upper classes) called "incest" things like marrying your brother's widow...or marrying a 5th Cousin (who has almost no genetic link to you--more than anyone else) or various other long distance seeming family relationship. Much of this was done to break up inheritance problems--and it went way beyond what the bible teaches as moral incest.
The Bible forbids: brother/sister, (and half siblings too) parent/child, uncle/niece or aunt/nephew unions. These are the closest relatives genetically--and which (as in the case of this couple) cause genetic defects in the kids. After the Protestant Reformation in the 1500s, laws were changed in Protestant countries to reflect the biblical injunctions, NOT the old elaborate Catholic ones.
Apparently cousins of any sort have never been forbidden to marry in the Bible, though, due to the Eugenics movement in the 1920s about half the US states have laws against 1st Cousins marrying (the other half do not...and no foreign country that I know of forbids cousins marrying (as weird as that seems...to me). I've read that the latest genetic research finds no significant risk of cousins marrying to theeir kids --even though I agree it just doesn't seem right. (Still probably half of our founding fathers, and very famous people in US history, married cousins....as it was extremely common in early America.)
The allowing of "incest" i.e. getting away from the old Catholic definitions of it, and changing the law to a narrow, genetically (and biblically) based definition MAY be what the article is talking about. I simply cannot imagine that in much of Europe there are no incest laws at all.
I take it you must live in Germany. Is it really true that most European countries have no incest laws?
Too late! From the article: Three of the children are in foster care, and two have unspecified disabilities
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