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Catholic Newspaper Tells Anti-Abortion Voters Not to Support Giuliani
FoxNews.com ^ | March 7, 2007

Posted on 03/07/2007 1:41:55 PM PST by madprof98

A Catholic newspaper is telling readers that Catholics shouldn't support White House hopeful Rudy Giuliani because of his support for allowing women access to abortions.

The National Catholic Register's editorial urges anti-abortion voters to choose another candidate other than Giuliani.

"A Republican party led by a pro-abortion politician would become a pro-abortion party," according to the editorial that appears on the Web site and is set to appear next week in the newspaper's print edition.

Editors say "they hope that pro-lifers will 'be reasonable,' not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and go along quietly," but "we won't."

"When they ask us to 'be reasonable' and go along with a pro-abortion leader, they assume that there is something unreasonable about the pro-life position to start with," the editors wrote. "We’re sorry, but we don’t see what is so unreasonable about the right to life.

"What looks supremely unreasonable to us is that we should trust a leader who not doesn’t only reject the right to life but even supports partial-birth abortion, which is more infanticide than abortion," according to the editorial.

[snip]

"Would a pro-abortion president give us a pro-life Supreme Court justice? Maybe he would in his first term. But we’ve seen in the Democratic Party how quickly and completely contempt for the right to life corrupts. Even if a President Giuliani did the right thing for a short time, it’s likely the party that accepted him would do the wrong thing for a long time," the editorial reads.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: madprof98

The Republican party had better come forth with a decent candidate. Not a leftist in republican's clothing. Please, never again any more Giuliani's, McCain's, Bloomberg's, or Rell's.
A genuine conservative please, otherwise I'll stay home or vote for mickey mouse.


61 posted on 03/07/2007 2:56:21 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: madprof98

Catholics used to be all democrats, this is changing, due to the parties changing. Old Catholics might still vote democrat, but wisely, all new Catholics can't. Democrats are now the party of the devil, if you see it clearly.


62 posted on 03/07/2007 2:56:34 PM PST by mutley
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To: LtdGovt
But what does 'real Catholicism' say?

What is that, like the MTV version? Where Catholics stop following their faith and start acting 'real'?

Did you know that the Catholic Church opposes the WOT?

You are confused.

The Church is heavily predisposed against war. However, there exist criteria for what constitutes a just war, and the application of those criteria is left to the prudence of the individual.

Would it be fair to call you (I assume you're a Catholic) a cafetaria Catholic because you favor the WOT?

Learn to read -- I said I was Catholic -- learn to spell -- and the short answer is 'No'.

63 posted on 03/07/2007 2:57:36 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: livius
I think the point is to keep it from becoming a choice between Hillary and Rudy. He has not been annointed, to my knowledge, and I think it's a mistake to assume that he MUST be the candidate. Aside from that, the general Catholic position at the moment is to vote for the one that you think will do the least harm.

Okay, how's this?

Imagine the following hypothetical situation. Republicans B, C, D are pro-life, but they would lose to any of the pro-choice Democrats. Republican A is pro-choice, but he is so popular that he would beat the Democrats. Republican A would clearly do the least harm. Not voting for him in the primary would lead to the election of a Democrat. Would it be moral to vote for Republican A in the primary?
64 posted on 03/07/2007 2:58:17 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Cicero
The Pope has never said outright that the war on terror was wrong. Some Vatican "spokesmen" have said as much, but they spoke out of turn and beyond their authority.

They did? Then why were they not rebuked?
65 posted on 03/07/2007 2:59:23 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Kimmers
How can the church maintain a tax exempt status if they are telling their members how to vote?

The Church isn't telling anyone how to vote. A newspaper is. It's a "Catholic" newspaper because it professes to cover news of interest to Catholics and to advance a Catholic worldview.

66 posted on 03/07/2007 3:03:59 PM PST by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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To: JohnnyZ
What is that, like the MTV version? Where Catholics stop following their faith and start acting 'real'?

Not really. I was adopting the language that people like you use, distinguishing between 'real Catholics' and 'fake Catholics'.

The Church is heavily predisposed against war. However, there exist criteria for what constitutes a just war, and the application of those criteria is left to the prudence of the individual.

The Pope met with the Iraqi vice-president before the war. I believe statements were made against the war. So the Church did oppose the war in Iraq. Why did you not follow?

Learn to read -- I said I was Catholic -- learn to spell -- and the short answer is 'No'.

Why not? Aren't you calling other people fake Catholics because they don't say that they will never, ever vote for someone who is pro-choice?
67 posted on 03/07/2007 3:04:17 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt

The same reason that pro war bishops and priests are not rebuked.


68 posted on 03/07/2007 3:04:52 PM PST by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Romulus

Thank you, that was clarified by another FReeper.


69 posted on 03/07/2007 3:05:23 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Romulus

Thank you, that was clarified by another FReeper.


70 posted on 03/07/2007 3:05:37 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: pissant

That would imply that there is no official position on the WOT, and that it is up to individual bishops and priests to decide whether they support the war or not. But that hardly sounds like speaking "out of turn and beyond their authority".


71 posted on 03/07/2007 3:08:09 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: madprof98
So a non-profit church publication is directly involved in politics?

Time to re-examine their tax exempt status.

72 posted on 03/07/2007 3:09:50 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: freedomfiter2
"That's what happened to Santorum here in PA"

Nah. You're spinning. Santorum was beaten by Casey a pro-life Democrat.

73 posted on 03/07/2007 3:10:04 PM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: madprof98

Because religious institutions have become political, they are fading from the scene as we speak. There was a time when religious institutions were primarily concerned with the salvation of souls, but today those institutions have become political partisans -- either left wing or right wing, but partisans, none the less. As such, they cannot survive. And, if we look around, we are already witnessing their demise in the news every day.


74 posted on 03/07/2007 3:13:09 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: areafiftyone

You are better defined as an Irish Catholic. Do whatever you want and then go to confession and make it all better.


75 posted on 03/07/2007 3:14:13 PM PST by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: DKNY
Being a Catholic myself, I agree.. wondering if it comes down to Hillary or Rudy will they suggest we go third party or stay home

from: http://www.ewtn.com/vote/brief_catechism.htm

10. What if all the candidates from whom I have to choose are pro-abortion? Do I have to abstain from voting at all? What do I do?

Obviously, one of these candidates is going to win the election. Thus, in this dilemma, you should do your best to judge which candidate would do the least moral harm...

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However, the website I cited also provides the following guidance, which is relevant for the GOP primaries:

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4. If I have strong feelings or opinions in favor of a particular candidate, even if he is pro-abortion, why may I not vote for him?

As explained in question 1 above, neither your feelings nor your opinions are identical with your conscience. Neither your feelings nor your opinions can take the place of your conscience. Your feelings and opinions should be governed by your conscience. If the candidate about whom you have strong feelings or opinions is pro-abortion, then your feelings and opinions need to be corrected by your correctly informed conscience, which would tell you that it is wrong for you to allow your feelings and opinions to give lesser weight to the fact that the candidate supports a moral evil.

3. If I think that a pro-abortion candidate will, on balance, do much more for the culture of life than a pro-life candidate, why may I not vote for the pro-abortion candidate?

If a political candidate supported abortion, or any other moral evil, such as assisted suicide and euthanasia, for that matter, it would not be morally permissible for you to vote for that person. This is because, in voting for such a person, you would become an accomplice in the moral evil at issue. For this reason, moral evils such as abortion, euthanasia and assisted suicide are examples of a “disqualifying issue.” A disqualifying issue is one which is of such gravity and importance that it allows for no political maneuvering. It is an issue that strikes at the heart of the human person and is non-negotiable. A disqualifying issue is one of such enormity that by itself renders a candidate for office unacceptable regardless of his position on other matters. You must sacrifice your feelings on other issues because you know that you cannot participate in any way in an approval of a violent and evil violation of basic human rights. A candidate for office who supports abortion rights or any other moral evil has disqualified himself as a person that you can vote for. You do not have to vote for a person because he is pro-life. But you may not vote for any candidate who supports abortion rights...

76 posted on 03/07/2007 3:14:59 PM PST by kidd
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To: areafiftyone

i am Roman Catholic and i am pleasantly surprised to see them take a stand on politicians who are Catholics in name only.


77 posted on 03/07/2007 3:15:49 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: Gunder

are the running for the republican nomination?


78 posted on 03/07/2007 3:16:40 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: LtdGovt

The church has not taken an "official" position on the WOT. It is against terrorsim always and against war usually.


79 posted on 03/07/2007 3:17:45 PM PST by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: LtdGovt
Would it be fair to call you (I assume you're a Catholic) a cafetaria Catholic because you favor the WOT?

No it won't be fair. As Cardinal Ratzinger wrote shortly before becoming Pope there can be a legitimate difference of opinion among Catholics about the war.

80 posted on 03/07/2007 3:18:15 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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