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Why F-22s Cannot Fly Into Tomorrow
The Strategy Page ^ | March 14, 2007 | James Dunnigan

Posted on 03/15/2007 4:35:28 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru

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To: Rodney King
I'm fairly certain that the first thing China or Russia would do in a war is take out the GPS system.

That worries me, big time. They've already practiced this whole routine.

I have always thought that the Chicoms were behind the sudden malfunction and disappearance of the Galaxy IV satellite. Mysterious "malfunctions" was the excuse given to the public, but no real explanation.

Ever since Clinton sold them the technology via a convoluted route for them to contribute to his campaign, I have been waiting for the "other shoe to drop".

21 posted on 03/15/2007 4:51:04 PM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: alfa6

Ping!


22 posted on 03/15/2007 4:51:16 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Red Steel
They should have inertial navigation system (INS) back up.

The inertial navigation does not need outside help after it is initialized for position. (you only have to give it a starting point, and it figures out the rest.

23 posted on 03/15/2007 4:51:47 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Dumb question here. Why do military aircraft care what the local time is? I thought they operated on Greenwich Mean (Zulu?) time.


24 posted on 03/15/2007 4:52:11 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: IonImplantGuru
What do you expect the prime contractor is Lockheed Martin!

The F-22 was their "golden project", funny to see how LM management wins again.

Cheers,

CSG

25 posted on 03/15/2007 4:52:23 PM PDT by CompSciGuy (Duncan Hunter for 2008 - no flip-floppers or RINO's please...)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Scotty: "Aye, sir. The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."


26 posted on 03/15/2007 4:56:10 PM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I swear to God, who the hell released this type of information?????


27 posted on 03/15/2007 4:57:09 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: Rodney King

You're wrong; they keep a sextant in their flight bags.


28 posted on 03/15/2007 4:57:22 PM PDT by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: IonImplantGuru

"Mistakes were made..." Hey, shit happens at any price. Question is, what to do about it. Apparently, this was an easy fix and all planes returned safely. I doubt, in a dogfight, pilots would be wondering where they were as much as they want to know where the other guy is.


29 posted on 03/15/2007 4:58:43 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Eaker

I am aware of the satellites we have. We can turn them off to everybody and the Military can still use them.

We have work-arounds as well.


30 posted on 03/15/2007 4:59:00 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar
One pilot was able to contact contractor Lockheed Martin to troubleshoot the error during the flight, the Air Force said. Several pilots attempted to reboot the system with no success.

LM: Ring, Ring - Lockheed Martin, Help Desk.

F22: Yeah, my systems are down!

LM: Sure, sorry about that. I'll need to get your name, call sign and extension to log your problem. All of our support people are tied up on other calls at this time. CLICK!

31 posted on 03/15/2007 4:59:23 PM PDT by Jambe
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To: stockpirate

Yep -- over 240-0 during Red Flag exercises, and the Opfors were allowed to "re-spawn" or regenerate after being shot down, AND the Raptors functioned as AWACs for their team mates once they had fired all their weapons. OPFOR pilots reported that even when they COULD see the Raptors, they COULD NOT put a weapon system on them. Period.

No Raptor has yet to be a kill in ANY exercise against America's best - even with lopsided ROEs.

It's worth EVERY penny as an air superiority weapon system.


32 posted on 03/15/2007 4:59:32 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Jet Jaguar

"... Had they gotten separated from their tankers or had the weather been bad, they had no attitude reference. They had no communications or navigation..."

That's what's called 'flying by the seat of your pants' - like they did in WWI bi-planes (except at mach 2, heheh).

"Initial plans called for 750, but only 183 are now slated to be built under the proposed 2007 fiscal defense budget."

That's so sad - we need those 750 - and even twice that would be better.  From the reviews I've read, the F-22 is an awesome bird.

33 posted on 03/15/2007 5:00:00 PM PDT by RebelTex (Help cure diseases: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1548372/posts)
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To: IonImplantGuru

That'll teach 'em to be early Vista adopters! :D


34 posted on 03/15/2007 5:00:31 PM PDT by britemp
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To: RaceBannon

Honestly, I think the article was based in part to a USAF press release.


35 posted on 03/15/2007 5:01:50 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jambe

"LM: Ring, Ring - Lockheed Martin, Help Desk."


I hope the pilot has no problem understanding the Indian accent.


36 posted on 03/15/2007 5:06:36 PM PDT by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Red Steel

Our sub's INS once had us scorching across the Shara at 60 knots during one med run Needless to say, we were quite impressed with ourselves.


37 posted on 03/15/2007 5:08:25 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: RebelTex

If it can't be flown via needle, ball and airspeed, it is a platform, not an airplane.


38 posted on 03/15/2007 5:10:58 PM PDT by wrench
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To: rockthecasbah
I can't wait to see the F-22s go against the Iranian air force

Two slapped together with 30 year old spare parts F-14s and a dozen 40 year old F-4s hardly constitute an Air Force ;-)

39 posted on 03/15/2007 5:11:03 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: BigBobber

You have a point there. Probably the best solution is for Zulu time to catch up with actual geophysical time.


40 posted on 03/15/2007 5:11:11 PM PDT by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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