We Have to Win

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[taxcontrol]

No thank you.... I will not vote for Rudy or McCain under ANY circumstances. And before you rehash old ground of "not voting for Rudy is a vote for..." remember that the GOP has a CHOICE.

Either put up a CONSERVATIVE both social and fiscal or don't get the Christian conservative vote.

MAYBE the GOP can abandon it's base and reach out to independent voters and gain enough votes to make up for the loss of Christian conservatives.... OR MAYBE, the larger voting block is with the Christian Conservatives ... more than what is available by the independents. Remember, it's not VOLUME of voters, it's ACTUAL voters and Christian conservatives will crawl through broken glass to get out their vote. Can you say the same for someone who does not even want to decide on a party? I don't think so.

The truth is, winning elections is about turning out your base ... not abandoning them for the hope of some independents.

[Integrityrocks]

"Before you take your principled stance on abortion, gay rights and gun rights and flush the Country down the liberal toilet consider the future if we let principles blind us to reality"

Well, if you're suggesting that abortion, gay rights and gun rights should be waived issues, you've lost your marbles.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I like Rudy Giuliani.

If you like Rudy, you aren't making some "pragmatic" decision to support him.

Don't ask anybody else to support a candidate they don't like.

[gate2wire]

"I like Rudy Giuliani."

So what. This conservative (and his family) will NEVER, EVER, vote for your pro-abortion candidate. See ya.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Before you take your principled stance on abortion, gay rights and gun rights and flush the Country down the liberal toilet consider the future if we let principles blind us to reality.

Worse, if Rudy loses, like I think he will, we will have thrown our principles down the toilet for nothing.

Like the cheezy shows where the criminal tells the good hero to put down his weapon or else he'll kill the hostages. So the hero does so, and then the criminal smiles and shoots the hostage anyway.

[Disambiguator]

That's a fitting analogy.

[ksen]

The previous two presidential elections were extraordinarily close.

And what does that tell you?

It tells me that the Republicans better stop running conservative lites and put up an actual conservative.

And no, George Bush never was an actual conservative.

[dirtboy]

First you say this:

We have to get someone who can convert a few blue states to red while holding the red states.

And then you say this:

The Evangelicals he loses will be more than made up for by crossover Democrats.

The two statements are direct contradictions.

Beyond that, ever hear of the term Reagan Democrat? Many were pulled over not by Reagan's pro-abort stance, but by his pro-life stance. Santorum won two Senate seats in a blue state until the Dems ran a pro-lifer. In addition, the further left you go in the electorate, the stronger the anti-war sentiment gets. Rudy simply will not be able to make much headway running leftwards.

The solution is to find someone at the center of the party to hold it together.

Now on to your next nonsense:

Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter and the others are at noise level in the national polls

Fred Thompson polled 12 percent without even entering the race. Rudy plummeted 13 percent at the same time.

Methinks you tried to pull a fast one to sell your used car that has a bad alignement problem - it keeps veering leftward into oncoming Democrats.

[HitmanLV]

The Evangelical Right is too immersed in the righteousness of social issues to deal with the hard facts of financial and international issues.

The evangelical right backs horses like Ted Haggard and gave us Dubya, one of the weakest presidents of the modern era. We need to start looking past their better judgment.

[Emmett McCarthy]

Exactly right. If the choice is a liberal with a (D) or a liberal with an (R), the one with the (D) will win every time.

[HitmanLV]

So we should flush our principles down the toilet to elect someone with an R next to their name, even if he IS a liberal?

No, we should try to actually win the debate and convince people we are right.

Right now, I think the mainstream-liberal position on abortion, gay rights, and gun control is winning.

It doesn't matter how right we are if most people think we are wrong. Funny thing about politics.

[HitmanLV]

I think Fred wants to be the VP in a ticket headed by Romney or Rudy.

[HitmanLV]

If the Republican party decides to do without us, that's fine. Best of luck next election.

Democrats can win without you. What makes you think Republicans can't win without you? Such strange ego.

[HitmanLV]

This conservative (and his family) will NEVER, EVER, vote for your pro-abortion candidate. See ya.

Cavalierly speaking for others, huh? It's just this kind of talk that alienates people from aspects of your agenda.

[HitmanLV]

And what does that tell you? It tells me that the Republicans better stop running conservative lites and put up an actual conservative.

Wow, conservatism in its extreme form is much like Dr Savage says liberalism is like in its extreme form.

[Colorado Doug]

Why would you imagine that the GOPs front runners are not for open borders and amnesty of one sort or another? The GOP would do better to get behind Duncan Hunter's ideas about immigration and China. That is something that the majority of America can and will support.

[gate2wire]

No, my family has told me they would NEVER, EVER vote for him either. Is that OK with you?

[stephenjohnbanker]

Good analogy!

[HitmanLV]

People often change their minds, you know.

Well, the ones that adapt and thrive do.

[Enosh]

What makes you think Republicans can't win without you?

Math.

A pro-abortion "Republican" will alienate too much conservative base to win the White House.