Posted on 03/29/2007 9:21:46 AM PDT by gesully
In order for the Republicans to win the 2008 Presidential election we are going to have to get some crossover votes. The Evangelical Right is too immersed in the righteousness of social issues to deal with the hard facts of financial and international issues. In other words they will vote for a loser if he or she supports their social beliefs.
I like Newt Gingrich. I do not believe he is electable because of his baggage…the media will use this baggage to destroy him. They did it before. He is liked by Conservatives but loathed by moderate Democrats and some moderate Republicans. He cannot covert blue states.
I like Mitt Romney. I do not believe he is electable because he is a “suit”. I don’t believe he has the charisma to draw moderate Democrats and many Evangelicals will shun him because of his religion. He cannot convert blue states.
Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter and the others are at noise level in the national polls. These people may be desirable because they are closer to being the Conservative we would like to have. But ask yourself. Can they win? Can they convert blue states? I don’t think so. The previous two presidential elections were extraordinarily close. The entitlement crowd and blue urban states are becoming juggernauts. Remember, it is the electoral vote which decides elections. Not our “favorite guy”. We have to get someone who can convert a few blue states to red while holding the red states.
I like Rudy Giuliani. I believe he is electable. He is known. He is respected by many moderate Democrats. He has demonstrated political competency. The Evangelicals he loses will be more than made up for by crossover Democrats. He is weak on some social issues, notably abortion, guns and same sex marriage. These things don’t bother me because they are decided in the courts, not in the White House and he has said he will nominate originalist judges. He has the potential to win some blue states. He is tough and ruthless. He is articulate. He knows how to maneuver politically. All of these are missing in President Bush. Enough of this compassionate conservative crap. We need a Pattenesque approach to politics and we want that person on our side.
We have to get real. As Conservatives we are at a genuine crisis point. If a Democrat is elected as President in 2008 and if the Democrat majorities hold in congress we have lost it all. We are getting a small taste of the future with the Democrat-controlled Senate and House which were lost by our people not showing up to vote. Look what that got us.
Having a Republican President is all that stands between us and a grim future. If we don’t win the presidency (and the House and Senate remain Democrat) the Bush tax cuts will be rescinded, we will get real tax increases, nationalized health care (which once enacted will never be overturned because the dependencies created will make political suicide to deal with), we will lose in the Middle East, there will be an increased risk of terrorism on US soil because of our perceived weakness, open borders, amnesty for all illegal aliens, statehood for Washington, DC (another two Senate seats for Democrats), government spending beyond our imagination, and the list goes on.
Before you take your principled stance on abortion, gay rights and gun rights and flush the Country down the liberal toilet consider the future if we let principles blind us to reality. President Bush is a principled man but look what that has gotten us. He is neither tough enough, articulate enough nor is he politically savvy enough. Reagan isn’t coming back. He died. Wake up. We have to hold the White House. Get real! Winning is what is important.
No crisis. I'm voting conservative.
We can't nominate another Bob Dole. Dole vs clinton was a disaster not to be repeated.
As opposed to voting for a loser who shares little of the core beliefs or values that denfine us from liberals? Get real! No to Rudy!
No thanks, I'll vote for a conservative candidate instead.
So we should flush our principles down the toilet to elect someone with an R next to their name, even if he IS a liberal? 6 of one, half-dozen of another, if you ask me.
Hope you have your flame proof suit on. I expect that pissant and his anti-Rudy crew will storm in here with torches and pitchforks at any moment.
A liberal with an "R" by his name is still a liberal.
I urge you to take a look in the mirror when you say that. Defense and reaction is a loser's game.
They spend their entire lives on these threads, with the SAME comments, spam etc. It's hard to imagine having that level of hatred and obsession.
My sentiments exactly, although I am not sure that Fred Thompson would be a loser if nominated. I think he would stand a decent chance, unless Hillary's private investigators can find something to do him in.
They're people who firmly believe that nominating Rudy will mean that a party they've supported for most of their lives has been corrupted by the same liberal beliefs that they think are destroying the country.
I disagree, and I think that their strident opposition to Rudy does their cause way more harm than good, but I understand where they're coming from.
"I like Rudy Giuliani....The Evangelicals he loses will be more than made up for by crossover Democrats."
Cool, sounds like you don't need us then. Good luck. Spit.
If the Republican party decides to do without us, that's fine. Best of luck next election.
"In other words they will vote for a loser if he or she supports their social beliefs."
How about nominating a conservative for the R ticket? They tend to fit right in with the "Evangelical Right."
Well, you would have to go and PING me.....I'll pass this time.
Pesky tagline...
Seemed only polite, what with the "torches and pitchforks" comment.
"Before you take your principled stance on abortion, gay rights and gun rights and flush the Country down the liberal toilet consider the future if we let principles blind us to reality."
LOL. So you want to vote for someone who mirrors the lib position on those issues. And you tell "us" to get real.
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