Skip to comments.The Meat Tax
Posted on 04/13/2007 5:05:31 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
Energy Policy: Those who want to end global warming and our reliance on foreign oil often propose a massive "carbon tax" to make crude less appealing. Don't look now, but you're already paying it.
By heavily subsidizing the use of ethanol, a fuel additive less efficient than gasoline and costlier to produce, Congress has, in effect, enacted a tax hike.
No, it's not the kind you see at the pump each time you fill up like the current 18.4-cents-a-gallon federal levy on gasoline. Rather, it's the kind of tax you pay quietly, without even realizing it.
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Oh, wait, uh.. maybe not.
I hope you are right. o.o’
One buck and five doe rabbits, kindled at the right time, will yield the same amount of meat that a steer will at slaughter over a year’s time.
Invest in rabbits and pork the left.
You think food prices are going up here, just check out China and India.
There is one good thing that arises from the ethanol additions. It is the kick that is given to the farm economy. More acreages are planted, more tractors are sold, all grain prices rise, the farmer is making money. Rural banks are stimulated, land prices rise, the breadbasket and Chicago are on the rise. Red states perhaps will get well and the blue states will pay the high price.
Are people complete idiots in this country? Do they thing BURNING ETHANOL produces any LESS CO2? It doesn't!!!! BURNING anything produces CO2, except pure hydrogen, which isn't actually burning.
there will be a huge glut of corn byproduct resulting from increased ethanol production, which has to be used somewhere. What better than cheap low grade filler for feedstock and food processors.
****There is one good thing that arises from the ethanol additions. It is the kick that is given to the farm economy. More acreages are planted, more tractors are sold, all grain prices rise, the farmer is making money***
However, cattle prices go down as feed is diverted to ethanol production. Farmers will plant MORE grain the next year and the byproducts of ethanol can be used as feed till production catches up with the supply.
One bad note, grain with murcury treated seed was used to make ethanol several years ago and the byproducts fed to cattle near here. Milk tested positive for HIGH murcury content and the herds had to be destroyed.
So not use treated seed for ethanol production.
After you’ve strip corn of everything to make ethanol, what food byproduct is left?
So does that mean we can now end Welfare for Farmers?
Healthy People 2010 and USDA ping.
Quite a bit, actually. The only thing removed by the fermentation process is the part of the carbohydrate fraction (usually sold today as "corn syrup" sweeteners, and added to all sorts of foods, including soft drinks). The protein fraction and the fat fraction (corn oil) remain as byproducts and are sold for various purposes. See "distillers grain" for one type of byproduct. This is normally sold as cattle food.
Even the old-timey moonshiners fed their "post-processed" grain to pigs (happiest hogs ever, I'm sure).
Thanks for the education. Sounds like the distillers work magic - make some shine and still have food left.
I raised and butchered rabbits during WW II to put meat on the table while Dad was in the Navy. We had up to 200 at a time at the peak of our production. It can be done, but we lived in a rural area, and still had to depend on commercial rabbit feed. I'm not sure it makes sense on a large scale.
I’m not saying that. What I would predict is that folks would raise their own meat if the fascists insist on sticking their damn heads into affairs that don’t belong to them. Rabbits are cheap feed for the enterprising individual and more will catch on as things tighten up.
Red and white cobs.
White cobs for testing.
[singing] Hitler was a vegetarian too...
Thanks for the ping!
Just a heads up for ethanol- It doesn’t cut the CO2 emissions much, therefore the left will come after it soon enough (Or the left will just ban the internal conbustion engine and shooting ammo to “protect the enviroment”).
Uh, that's why it's blended or fed with other components. Have you looked at the prices of protein powders in your local health food store.
But you're obviously a ranting moron who knows zip.
And don't forget that by reduced milage, everyone's going to be burning MORE fuel, which means more CO2...
So next time I buy a hamburger from a place like Hardee’s, will I have to pay for a “meat offset,” too?
As to the second question: if we are serious about kicking our oil dependency, ethanol is the first and the closest to commercial viability of the alternatives. Corn ethanol can supply 10 percent, perhaps a bit more, of our gasoline needs. If that's where ethanol peaks out, it will continue to be used primarily as an additive. If cellulosic ethanol can be made price competitive, ethanol can supply upwards of a third, and perhaps much more, of our fuel supply. If ethanol from algae works out -- well, I had a brief conversation with someone in the field yesterday who very casually mentioned 10,000 gallons an acre. That wasn't the point of our discussion so I didn't pursue it, but the point is, corn ethanol is just the tip of the iceberg.
Ethanol may not be the ultimate solution. Maybe we will perfect hydrogen fuel cells and build lots of nuclear power plants to make the hydrogen. Or find a biological pathway to commercial scale hydrogen production. Or put a windmill on every spare spot of ground and drive plug-in hybrids. There are lots of possibilities. Enough that one can always find over-the-horizon reasons for doing nothing today.
With regard to energy security, doing nothing today is what we've been doing for 30 years, which is why we're in the mess we're in. Now ethanol is breaking out. The reaction of some is "kill it quick before we actually accomplish anything." I disagree.
The current ethanol subsidy is an anachronism. IMHO it should be replaced by a technology neutral floor under the price of oil. This could be done with an adjustable tax on oil, which should be rebated to taxpayers. (Yes, I know the dems would want to spend it instead, and that's a battle we'd have to fight.) We've demonstrated that the U.S. economy can perform quite well with $60 oil. That gives us a pricing environment that allows us to bring the alternatives online. Let's do it.
And Hungary, per the Wall Street Journal.
Yeah, I wonder how long that would keep in the refrigerator?
Unfortunately redstaters have to eat too.
They’re really pushing this lifestyle fascism in time for 2010, aren’t they? Did you know that Codex Alimentarius is set to be international law starting on December 31, 2009? Just in time for 2010. And guess who’s pushing for Codex? The liberals. Just look at the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI). The CSPI is a sitting member on the Codex Alimentarius Commission. The CSPI is nothing but a liberal front group for Big Pharma.