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Dinosaur research backs link to birds
AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/14/07 | Randolph E. Schmid - ap

Posted on 04/14/2007 10:18:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Researchers have decoded proteins from a 68 million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex, the oldest such material ever found. The unprecedented step, once thought impossible, adds new weight to the idea that today's birds are descendants of the mighty dinosaurs.

"The door just opens up to a whole avenue of research that involves anything extinct," said Matthew T. Carrano, curator of dinosaurs at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History.

While dinosaur bones have long been studied, "it's always been assumed that preservation does not extend to the cellular or molecular level," said Mary Higby Schweitzer of North Carolina State University.

It had been thought that some proteins could last a million years or more, but not to the age of the dinosaurs, she said.

So, when she was able to recover soft tissue from a T. rex bone found in Montana in 2003 she was surprised, Schweitzer said.

And now, researchers led by John M. Asara of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston have been able to analyze proteins from that bone.

The genetic code that directs the development of living things is the DNA, but that is more fragile and they didn't find that.

"But proteins are coded from the DNA, they're kind of like first cousins," Schweitzer said

What Asara's team found was collagen, a type of fibrous connective tissue that is a major component of bone. And the closest match in creatures alive today was collagen from chicken bones.

Schweitzer and Asara report their findings in Friday's issue of the journal Science.

"Most people believe that birds evolved from dinosaurs, but that's all based on the architecture of the bones," said Asara. "This allows you to get the chance to say, 'Wait, they really are related because their sequences are related.' We didn't get enough sequences to definitively say that, but what sequences we got support that idea."

"The fact that we are getting proteins is very, very exciting," said John Horner of Montana State University and the Museum of the Rockies.

And, he added, it "changes the idea that birds and dinosaurs are related from a hypothesis to a theory."

To scientists that's a big deal.

In science, a hypothesis is an idea about something that seems probable, while a theory has been tested and is supported by evidence. Previously, the bird-dinosaur relationship was based on similarities in the shape of bones, now there is solid evidence of a relationship at the molecular level.

Horner, who found the bones studied by Schweitzer and Asara, said this is going to change the way paleontologists go about collecting specimens — they will now be looking for the best preserved items, often buried in sand or sandstone sediments.

This summer, he said, his museum is organizing nine different field crews involving more than 100 people to search for fossils in Montana and Mongolia.

Asara explained that he was working on a very refined form of mass spectrometry to help detect peptides — fragments of proteins — in tumors as part of cancer research.

In refining the technique, he had previously studied proteins from a mastodon, and when he heard of Schweitzer's finding soft tissues in a T. rex bone he decided to see if he could detect proteins there also.

He was able to identify seven different dinosaur proteins from the bone and compared them with proteins from living species. Three matched chickens, two matched several species including chickens, one matched a protein from a newt and the other from a frog.

Co-author Lewis Cantley of Harvard Medical School noted that this work is in its infancy, and when it is improved he expects to be able to isolate more proteins and seek more matches.

"Knowing how evolution occurred and how species evolved is a central question," Cantley said.

The Smithsonian's Carrano, who was not part of the research teams, said the report is an important confirmation of Schweitzer's techniques and shows that "the possibility of preservation is more than we had expected, and we can expect to see more in the future."

Matt Lamanna, a curator at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh, called the finding "another piece in the puzzle that shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that dinosaurs are related to birds." Lamanna was not part of the research team.

So, does all this mean that a T. rex would have tasted like chicken? The researchers admit, they don't know.

Both research teams were supported by the National Science Foundation and the David and Lucille Packard Foundation. Schweitzer had additional support from NASA and Asara had added support from the Paul F. Glenn Foundation.


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1 posted on 04/14/2007 10:18:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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On the Net:

Science: http://www.sciencemag.org


2 posted on 04/14/2007 10:19:26 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001)
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An man makes final touches on the skull of the world's largest Tyrannosaurus Rex, Sue at the National Science Museum in Tokyo in 2005. US researchers have identified microscopic traces of soft tissue taken from a 68 million-year-old T-rex fossil in a startling discovery that is yielding clues to evolutionary links between dinosaurs and birds, a study released Thursday said.(AFP/File/Toshifumi Kitamura)


3 posted on 04/14/2007 10:21:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001)
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To: NormsRevenge

Mmmmm! Tastes like chicken.


4 posted on 04/14/2007 10:23:34 PM PDT by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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A Tyrannosaurus rex femur bone is shown in this undated photograph. Tiny bits of protein extracted from a 68-million-year-old dinosaur bone have given scientists the first genetic proof that the mighty Tyrannosaurus rex is a distant cousin to the modern chicken. The study results were published in the April 13, 2007 edition of the journal 'Science.' (- c Science/Handout/Reuters)


5 posted on 04/14/2007 10:23:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001)
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To: Thickman

Eggs-acktly


6 posted on 04/14/2007 10:24:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001)
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To: NormsRevenge
OK, all evolution/creation debating aside...these “scientists” used their unlimited resources of brain power and technology and determined the T-Rex is related to either a chicken, a newt or a frog?!!? Or maybe a dung beetle...or perhaps a bison...or maybe a leach. Please tell me my tax dollars had no part in this.
7 posted on 04/14/2007 10:25:40 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Why are you afraid of scientific research?

Does human exploration of space bother you too?

Do you watch the Trinity Broadcasting Network?

Are you a mouth breather?

You're scary.

8 posted on 04/14/2007 10:34:20 PM PDT by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: NormsRevenge

68 million-year-old huh? How can that be when their process of telling the age of something is so acurate that tested on a live elephant to be 3000 years old?


9 posted on 04/14/2007 10:36:22 PM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: zarf
You think a conclusion that something is either a chicken a frog or a newt is good science and call me scary? Based on your goofy list of questions, I guess I can understand why you might see a close relationship between chickens and newts. Like I said, I just hope my tax dollars had nothing to do with this "science".
10 posted on 04/14/2007 10:38:34 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: NormsRevenge
"Previously, the bird-dinosaur relationship was based on similarities in the shape of bones"

...and the fact some fossils have feathers.

11 posted on 04/14/2007 10:40:58 PM PDT by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: NormsRevenge

12 posted on 04/14/2007 10:46:31 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands

Cool looking frog. ; )


13 posted on 04/14/2007 10:48:17 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

Ever think this experiment (growth, survival and transformation of mammalian cells) is about curing cancer?


14 posted on 04/14/2007 10:48:44 PM PDT by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: Rokke
"You think a conclusion that something is either a chicken a frog or a newt is good science and call me scary? Based on your goofy list of questions, I guess I can understand why you might see a close relationship between chickens and newts. Like I said, I just hope my tax dollars had nothing to do with this "science"."

If this quote is representative of your overall ability to understand scientific text, I thank God you'll never be piloting any plane I'm gonna be in....

15 posted on 04/14/2007 10:49:10 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Rudy will beat Hitlary. The Toon's smear machine is working overtime. Are you helping them?)
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To: endthematrix
"Ever think this experiment (growth, survival and transformation of mammalian cells) is about curing cancer?"

Might as well be. It seems to encompass just about everything else.

16 posted on 04/14/2007 10:51:00 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: NormsRevenge
Related to is one thing, but evolutionary links? Maybe I'm not up on my science lingo, but, a dinosaur turning into a bird doesn't sound like much evolving to me.
17 posted on 04/14/2007 10:52:01 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: Al Simmons
"If this quote is representative of your overall ability to understand scientific text, I thank God you'll never be piloting any plane I'm gonna be in...."

Scientific text? Looks like an AP article to me. But if you're happy with these tight scientific conclusions, you probably don't need an airplane to enjoy the flight your on.

18 posted on 04/14/2007 10:53:27 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: garylmoore
The tests are coarse-grained. Depending on the quality and amount of the sample and how much time is spent on testing, the results are accurate to within anywhere from thousands to tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. Perhaps not meaningful for evaluating recent history, but invaluable for reconstructing time lines and lineages spanning eons.
19 posted on 04/14/2007 10:57:19 PM PDT by CountryBumpkin (Wanted: Belly busting good laughs. Seeking liberals with opinions.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Is it then mammalian revenge then driving my satisfaction with a spicy-chicken sandwich? Well, pile on the jalapenos for my relatives!


20 posted on 04/14/2007 10:58:05 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy
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