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Gunman's writings were disturbing (Eagle Scout saves his life by applying a tourniquet from a cord)
Chron.com ^ | 04.17.07 | MATT APUZZO

Posted on 04/17/2007 2:22:21 PM PDT by Coleus

BLACKSBURG, Va. — The gunman in the Virginia Tech massacre was a sullen loner who alarmed professors and classmates with his twisted, blood-drenched creative writing and left a rambling note in his dorm room raging against women and rich kids.  A chilling picture emerged Tuesday of Cho Seung-Hui — a 23-year-old senior majoring in English — a day after the bloodbath that left 33 people dead, including Cho, who killed himself as police closed in. News reports said that he may have been taking medication for depression and that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic. Despite the many warning signs that came to light in the bloody aftermath, police and university officials offered no clues as to exactly what set Cho off on the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.A student who attended Virginia Tech last fall provided obscenity- and violence-laced screenplays that he said Cho wrote as part of a playwriting class they both took. One was about a fight between a stepson and his stepfather, and involved throwing of hammers and attacks with a chainsaw. Another was about students fantasizing about stalking and killing a teacher who sexually molested them. "When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare. The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of," former classmate Ian McFarlane, now an AOL employee, wrote in a blog posted on an AOL Web site. He said he and other students "were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter."

"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling." Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said Cho's writing was so disturbing that he had been referred to the university's counseling service. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be," Rude said. "But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

She said she did not know when he was referred for counseling, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws. The counseling service refused to comment. Cho — who arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., where his parents worked at a dry cleaners — left a note in his dorm room that was found after the bloodbath. A government official, who spoke of condition of anonymity because he had not been authorized to discuss details of the case, said the note had been described to him as "anti-woman, anti-rich kid." The Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site that the note railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. ABC, citing law enforcement sources, said that the note, several pages long, explains Cho's actions and says, "You caused me to do this."

Citing unidentified sources, the Tribune also said Cho had recently set a fire in a dorm room and had stalked some women. Monday's rampage consisted of two attacks, more than two hours apart — first at a dormitory, where two people were killed, then inside a classroom building, where 31 people, including Cho, died. Two handguns — a 9 mm and a .22-caliber — were found in the classroom building. The Washington Post quoted law enforcement sources as saying Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms, but they were not sure what that meant. According to court papers, police found a "bomb threat" note — directed at engineering school buildings — near the victims in the classroom building. In the past three weeks, Virginia Tech was hit with two other bomb threats. Investigators have not publicly connected those threats to Cho.

Cho graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., in 2003. His family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va. Two of those killed in the rampage, Reema Samaha and Erin Peterson, graduated from Westfield High in 2006. But there was no immediate word from authorities on whether Cho knew the two young women and singled them out. "He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him. Classmates painted a similar picture. Some said that on the first day of a British literature class last year, the 30 or so students went around and introduced themselves. When it was Cho's turn, he didn't speak. On the sign-in sheet where everyone else had written their names, Cho had written a question mark. "Is your name, `Question mark?'" classmate Julie Poole recalled the professor asking. The young man offered little response. Cho spent much of that class sitting in the back of the room, wearing a hat and seldom participating. In a small department, Cho distinguished himself for being anonymous. "He didn't reach out to anyone. He never talked," Poole said.

"We just really knew him as the question mark kid," Poole said. One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. Roanoke Firearms owner John Markell said his shop sold the Glock and a box of practice ammo to Cho 36 days ago for $571. "He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea at all that a purchase is suspicious," Markell said. Investigators stopped short of saying Cho carried out both attacks. But State Police ballistics tests showed one gun was used in both. And two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were on both guns, whose serial numbers had been filed off. With classes canceled for the rest of the week, many students left town in a hurry, lugging pillows, sleeping bags and backpacks down the sidewalks.

Jessie Ferguson, 19, a freshman from Arlington, headed for her car with tears streaming down her cheeks. "I'm still kind of shaky," she said. "I had to pump myself up just to kind of come out of the building. I was going to come out, but it took a little bit of 'OK, it's going to be all right. There's lots of cops around.'" She added: "I just don't want to be on campus." On Tuesday afternoon, thousands of people gathered in the basketball arena for a memorial service for the victims, with an overflow crowd of thousands watching on a jumbo TV screen in the football stadium. President Bush and the first lady attended. "As you draw closer to your families in the coming days, I ask you to reach out to those who ache for sons and daughters who are never coming home," Bush said. Virginia Tech President Charles Steger received a 30-second standing ovation, despite bitter complaints from parents and students that the university should have locked down the campus immediately after the first burst of gunfire.

Stories of heroism and ingenuity emerged Tuesday. Liviu Librescu, an Israeli engineering and math lecturer, was killed after he was said to have protected his students' lives by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the gunman. And one student, an Eagle Scout, survived after using an electrical cord as a tourniquet around his bleeding thigh, a doctor reported. Kevin and Cindy Deck of Roanoke met at Virginia Tech and graduated from the school. Their daughter Natalie is a fourth-year architecture student, while son Daniel is a freshman business major. "We both went to work this morning," Cindy Deck said. "I teach school, and by the first bell ringing, I thought, I can't do this. I need to be with my kids. It's just one of those days you've got to be with them." Her husband added: "We've been struggling with an immediate impulse just to run and grab our kids and bring them home."


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Eagle Scout, survived >> some kids choose scouting, some soccer and few may do both. Scouting is down and soccer is up, if parents would only know the life-long benefits of scouting.
1 posted on 04/17/2007 2:22:24 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: SandRat

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2 posted on 04/17/2007 2:22:40 PM PDT by Coleus (Happy Easter, Jesus Christ is Risen, Hallelujah!)
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To: Coleus

I still want to know if Cho went islamo.


3 posted on 04/17/2007 2:24:51 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: Coleus

Cho Seung-Hui was no Stephen King!


4 posted on 04/17/2007 2:27:24 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Coleus
"You caused me to do this."

Typical whiny liberal.

5 posted on 04/17/2007 2:28:02 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: Coleus

Ismail Ax on the left arm (closest to the heart) of the killer tells me all I need to know about his motives.

Ismail (Ishmael) was the father of the Arabs and was cast out in our accounts while Isaac was offered up for sacrifice. In the Moslem accounts/koran, they write that Ismail was the true sacrifice and the scribes corrupted the account. Ismail Ax means to me makes it appear he was sacrificing himself for his 72 virgins.


6 posted on 04/17/2007 2:28:31 PM PDT by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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To: Coleus
Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said Cho's writing was so disturbing that he had been referred to the university's counseling service.

I read a piece of his "creative" writing over at the Smoking Gun. In addition to being violent and disgusting, he had no business in a college English class, much less being allowed to major in it.

7 posted on 04/17/2007 2:29:15 PM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Coleus
the more and more that comes out about this wing nut the more and more “red flags” appear...just like at Columbine (sp?)..but alas PC.
8 posted on 04/17/2007 2:30:39 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Coleus
note had been described to him as "anti-woman

Anti-woman? That's new info I had not seen before. Tends to support the theory that he might have been influenced by Islam, although that could also be simply from being rejected by girls and becoming a stalker.

9 posted on 04/17/2007 2:31:04 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Coleus
Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws.

That's now a moot point.
10 posted on 04/17/2007 2:31:05 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Coleus
if parents would only know the life-long benefits of scouting

In this Scouts case, truly LIFE LONG benefits.

11 posted on 04/17/2007 2:31:15 PM PDT by llevrok (When there are more illegals than citizens, will we be able to open our own casinos?)
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To: Coleus
Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said Cho's writing was so disturbing that he had been referred to the university's counseling service. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be," Rude said. "But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

Now showing at Blockbuster.

12 posted on 04/17/2007 2:31:36 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Coleus

That’s it! Stephen King goes to jail, NOW!!!


13 posted on 04/17/2007 2:32:19 PM PDT by PeterFinn (The end of islam is the beginning of peace.)
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To: Ingtar

Uh...no....


14 posted on 04/17/2007 2:32:48 PM PDT by nevergore (?It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.?)
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To: Coleus; Ingtar
The Washington Post quoted law enforcement sources as saying Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms, but they were not sure what that meant.

_ _ _ _ _

Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following:

Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders

From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:

President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.

Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:

As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .

This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:

Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.

Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.

The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.

So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said

ISMAIL AK

and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said

ISMAIL AX

That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism.

This is an angle the investigators need to pursue with the school's counseling service, the killer's computer, and Dr. Ismail Ak himself.

15 posted on 04/17/2007 2:34:36 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (You've got Ismail!)
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To: Coleus
Hannity played a bit of Rosie's "Blame Bush" rant from her show Rosie's View on his radio program today.

What a total idiot.

Perhaps Rosie should hold the university and its administrators liable if she refuses to hold the mass murderer accountable himself.

16 posted on 04/17/2007 2:35:33 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Bahbah
In addition to being violent and disgusting, he had no business in a college English class, much less being allowed to major in it.

Seems like so many of these big news stories are littered with examples of just how mediocre our nation's standards for "higher education" have become.

This loser Cho is to Virginia Tech's English department what Mayor Ray Nagin is to Tulane University's MBA program.

17 posted on 04/17/2007 2:35:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: DogBarkTree

Why? Will it satisfy some personal need you have? There is no evidence this has anything to do with islam or terrorism.


18 posted on 04/17/2007 2:35:54 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: PeterFinn

NY Times Lede Blog posted a quote from a guy who was in Cho’s drama writing class. He said the minute he heard about the tragedy he knew it was Cho. Apparently, the dude’s writing was so violent and his silence so creepy, students and professors were afraid to criticize his work during peer review. He also said he imagined that Cho was the school shooter type so far as to construct a plan in his head for what he would do when he showed up with gun.


19 posted on 04/17/2007 2:38:32 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Coleus

The rich kids do not go to Virginia Tech. They go to UVA or America University. Seeing that Cho lived in Centreville, I guess everyone would appear rich to him.


20 posted on 04/17/2007 2:40:08 PM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Coleus

I can’t understand how this disturbed individual was able to wound fifty people and kill thirty of them with a handgun. Those of us that shoot handguns know it’s not easy to score a hit on a (presumably) moving target, much less get rounds in the kill zone so many times. Was he trained? Even the police don’t shoot that well.


21 posted on 04/17/2007 2:40:55 PM PDT by scheuber (Life happens because it can, not because it's supposed to.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Did you find that out on your own?

I think we have a new “BUCKHEAD!!”


22 posted on 04/17/2007 2:40:57 PM PDT by alisasny (<hangs head in shame over prior tagline abuse : ()
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To: PeterFinn

Sounds like a Quentin Tarantino wannabe. He should’ve gone to UCLA.


23 posted on 04/17/2007 2:41:16 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Trust but Verify

It’s funny how some people are so invested in having this perp fit their pre-conceived notions. Many Freepers seem desperate for an Islamic terrorism connection, while over at DU they were praying the guy would be a disgruntled vet who got denied treatment at Walter Reed. I guess “typical psycho” doesn’t satisfy.


24 posted on 04/17/2007 2:42:36 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Trust but Verify

“Will it satisfy some personal need you have?” Nicely bated question. My question is based on possible outside influence. So far he looks like a lone nut but anything is possible these days.


25 posted on 04/17/2007 2:42:51 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: alisasny; nonsporting; Buckhead
Did you find that out on your own? I think we have a new “BUCKHEAD!!”

nonsporting first mentioned that there was a professor of psychiatry named Ismail AK, and then I took it from there and did the research.

26 posted on 04/17/2007 2:44:48 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (You've got Ismail!)
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To: scheuber

From what I have read, many of the dead and wounded were hit multiple times so it was quantity over quality. I bet he shot most at point blank range while they were cowering on the ground.


27 posted on 04/17/2007 2:45:09 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Coleus
She said she did not know when he was referred for counseling, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws. The counseling service refused to comment.

The kid was a nutcase, but even now, the PC "protect his privacy" stuff trumps the public's right to know. About 15 years back, I had a guy in class who was similarly frightening. After I learned that he had threatened to butcher some female students while I was out of the room, I went to the dean of students and demanded action. To keep him out of my classroom, I was required to offer him an independent study course on my own time. I did it, of course, and he stayed in school until months later when he brought a gun into the classroom building and began threatening classmates with it. Frankly, I was amazed he was not allowed to kill someone before he was put out of school.

28 posted on 04/17/2007 2:45:15 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Bahbah

It’s interesting that he had a hatred of Catholics in addition to his other pathologies.


29 posted on 04/17/2007 2:45:26 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: DogBarkTree

Ismail = Ishmael, the older son of Abraham, who supposedly was the father of all the Arab nations. No idea if that’s what he meant, but it gives one pause.
susie


30 posted on 04/17/2007 2:46:31 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Callahan
The information you posted there is a perfect illustration of why it is IMPERATIVE for adults to have the right to carry weapons on a university campus.

Everybody knew this guy was a loony-tune, but there's really no legal process in place that could have been used to get him the hell out of the classroom.

31 posted on 04/17/2007 2:46:34 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Callahan
He also said he imagined that Cho was the school shooter type so far as to construct a plan in his head for what he would do when he showed up with gun.

Did his plan call for showing up with a gun of his own?

32 posted on 04/17/2007 2:46:39 PM PDT by Spirochete
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To: Ingtar

Interesting, thanks for the info on what the Koran says of Ishmael. I didn’t know that.


33 posted on 04/17/2007 2:47:16 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Callahan

If this is all true, this University is responsible for not acting on ALL of those signs.

LLS


34 posted on 04/17/2007 2:47:30 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

That’s a great find, though I don’t care as much for the tagline.


35 posted on 04/17/2007 2:47:35 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Callahan
It's so embarrassing. At the end of the presser a woman actually had to come out and say that reports that Cho's parents had committed suicide are false, ans reporters shouted questions like, "how do you know" and "where are they?"

They are vile and so are the people who have determined that he MUST be connected to Islam.

36 posted on 04/17/2007 2:48:35 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Charles Henrickson

Wow, interesting.
susie


37 posted on 04/17/2007 2:49:04 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Petronski

OK, I’ve changed it.


38 posted on 04/17/2007 2:50:05 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson ("ISMAIL AX" is really "ISMAIL AK".)
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To: DogBarkTree

why say it at all?


39 posted on 04/17/2007 2:50:08 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Coleus
"a day after the bloodbath that left 33 people 32 people and one spawn of satan dead"

There, fixed it.
40 posted on 04/17/2007 2:50:09 PM PDT by GunnyHartman (Proud Infidel)
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To: Ingtar
Ismail Ax on the left arm (closest to the heart) of the killer tells me all I need to know about his motives.

All it tells me is that the killer was right-handed.

41 posted on 04/17/2007 2:50:19 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Free Stan Shunpike!)
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To: Coleus

after reading the first play on thesmokinggun.com, I can’t imagine reading the one about the students. Whacked. He was completely and utterly whacked and the parents of the students have a right to be angry at the school on a variety of issues including not being more responsible about handling these sort of students. Where were the school couselors that this kid was sent to?


42 posted on 04/17/2007 2:50:22 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Bahbah
"I read a piece of his "creative" writing over at the Smoking Gun. In addition to being violent and disgusting, he had no business in a college English class..."

Kind of like Jim Webb's writing.

43 posted on 04/17/2007 2:51:23 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: wideawake
It’s interesting that he had a hatred of Catholics in addition to his other pathologies

The Enemy knows the correct address.

44 posted on 04/17/2007 2:51:47 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Charles Henrickson; mikrofon
So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said
ISMAIL AK
and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said
ISMAIL AX
That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism.

ISMAIL AX = ALIAS MIX!

45 posted on 04/17/2007 2:51:51 PM PDT by martin_fierro (I x SALAMI)
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To: Callahan

I was totally not thinking Islam, until I heard of the word Ismail. Sorry, but it is logical to think there could be a connection when you see that, especially without knowing what the other poster posted about a Dr. specializing in anti-social behavior etc with an almost idential name.
Of course, there are also those who immediately assume it’s never terrorism....
susie


46 posted on 04/17/2007 2:52:49 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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"It’s funny how some people are so invested in having this perp fit their pre-conceived notions. Many Freepers seem desperate for an Islamic terrorism connection, while over at DU they were praying the guy would be a disgruntled vet who got denied treatment at Walter Reed. I guess “typical psycho” doesn’t satisfy."

I heard he had mud on his shoes from sneaking across the Rio Grande.

47 posted on 04/17/2007 2:53:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: wideawake

i think this was the child molester anger as he also references Michael Jackson. I initially chewed on this too until i saw the comments about jackson.


48 posted on 04/17/2007 2:54:33 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Bahbah
i just wandered over to TSG and read his "play" and wow.
what the hell is that garbage?
i would be interested to know what kind of grade he got for that dreck
49 posted on 04/17/2007 2:55:22 PM PDT by wafflehouse (When in danger, When in doubt, Run in circles, Scream and Shout!)
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To: Coleus

It pays to be a Scout!


50 posted on 04/17/2007 2:56:10 PM PDT by Chili Girl
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