How are todays' Democrats best categorized as socialists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

[Miztiki]

Thanks for the clarification. The last part of the definition I listed is what got me. They have no god, apart from themselves.

[Miztiki]

This remarkable convergence of Senate Democrats with the lone (admitted) socialist in Congress suggests one of two things. Take your pick. Either Senate leaders have successfully domesticated Sanders, convincing him to tow the “moderate” Democratic Party line against his better judgment. Or maybe there really is no distinction between a real socialist and a modern liberal in today’s Democratic Party.

Is everyone aware of this but me? Sorry, I've never seen it so plainly stated before and I can't get over it.

Is it legal to jail these people? If not then I propose an ammendment to our Constitution!

[Disambiguator]

Thanks. I knew if I “googled” I might find some more, but I’m lazy.

;^)

[romanesq]

Hayek’s quote on the Nazis and Communists competing in Germany for the same “types” is absolutely superb.

Thanks!!

[xc1427]

Your post (being a good one) reminds me of George Orwell’s article titled “What is Fascism.” The article’s point was fascism had been described in so many ways (DURING WWII), no one any longer knew what it was.

Socialism, in that sense, has become the new multi-defined concept. God, help us if it gets worse.

[Miztiki]

Thank you.

I often wonder how many other FReepers are as clueless about politics as me. I try hard to learn, and I appreciate all of the serious answers I’ve gotten. I’m still looking up info from many of the posts.

[Duke Nukum]

They worship the power of the state.

When communists outlaw God they start worshiping symbols of the state like Lenin they make him into a zombie and worship.

Atheism is a religion. When MMO’H was still alive she would excommunicate sects that didn’t not believe in God strongly enough.

Roman emperors were often deified after death and I can recall at least one deified himself while still alive.

It is not that hard just think of the what they substitute for religion.

If it is not the state they deify the planet and make the Global Warming(TM) scam their crusade. So don’t just look for religion in church. Anything can be made an object of worship.

They are neo-feudalists pure and simple.

[CutePuppy]

Socialism, in that sense, has become the new multi-defined concept.

Socialism has always been multi-defined, that's why there are so many flavors of it, communism and fascism included.

Fascism and communism both have tried hiding behind democracy, without much success, except from apologists of either.

Different degrees of socialism exist now in Western European countries, and even in US. Both China and Russia are currently sliding toward fascism, which is almost inevitable "progress" in societies where communism fails (mostly due to economic reasons), yet is smoothly morphed into crony pseudo-capitalism (oligarchs in Russia) without benefit of true democracy and real capitalism - old Communist guard becomes new ruling class by transferring to themselves ownership of previously controlled government entities (in Russia through phony "auctions", in China installing Party and Army representatives into positions of ownership and control of newly formed "private" companies).

[CutePuppy]

There maybe a lot of new ones, I stopped collecting these in 2000 (looking at my file date stamp), so it may still be worth “googling” if only to try and be “comprehensive”, but I’m lazy, too :~)

Besides, it’s probably “comprehensive” well enough there...

[AGreatPer]

Stumpy summed it up very well:

"They are NOT socialists, they are communists of the Marx variety out to destroy America."

I couldn't agree more.

[xc1427]

Not a problem.

[xc1427]

I cannot argue with you at all. I would say it came down to,”If China can do it, then anyone can.” I might be inacurrate in my assessment though.

[3catsanadog]

I heard that a liberal is someone who’s never been mugged.

[Bernard Marx]

For instance, what is Hillary? What type of "ism" does she envision for our country?

Totalitarian"ism."

[InterceptPoint]

They are NOT socialists, they are communists of the Marx variety out to destroy America.

I agree but would add that most democrats don't know enough history and, in particular, the history of Marxism/Leninism/Stalinism to realize that they share goals and visions with their communist brethren.

I recently read (Whitaker Chambers' Witness as I recall) that the driving motivation for people who joined the communist party in the 20's and 30's was "the problem of war" and "the problem of the economy".

The communist (i.e. Soviet) solution to war was to be achieved by revolutions in the capitalist countries that would lead to a one world communist government. With only one government ruling the world no other body would have the resources to mount a war and that would be the end of war. Today the candidate for ruler of us all is no longer the Soviet Union - it is the United Nations.

Ask yourself: Who supports the United Nations and works to increase the power of that organization at the expense of freedom of the American people?

The Soviet solution to "the problem of the economy", that is the problem of "the poor", was the elimination of all private property all of which would be owned and controlled by the government for the good of all citizens. By this they hoped to achieve an egalitarian society where all worked and shared equally. It was Robin Hoodism taken to the ultimate limit. It failed miserably with millions starving to death and millions murdered because they wouldn't accept the communist system.

So ask yourself who wants to take from the rich and give to the poor and thinks this is way to solve all of societies problems?

Our real problem here is that given the predisposition of the Democrats to follow the Marxist program despite the human tragedy that it has brought to the world and the weak opposition from the Republicans almost certainly dooms us to a repeat of the Soviet experience.