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Pro-Life Leader Endorses Ron Paul
Ron Paul 2008 ^ | May 10, 2007

Posted on 05/11/2007 8:49:53 PM PDT by The_Eaglet

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To: No Blue States

Your premise is false. He did not blame us.


101 posted on 05/21/2007 5:43:58 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: cva66snipe

Thank you, sir.


102 posted on 05/21/2007 5:44:57 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: Dead Corpse; elizabetty
If you want the FedGov to regulate abortion, pass an Amendment.

We already did. It's the 14th amendment. The Supreme Court must rule that abortion deprives unborn persons of life without due process.

Abortion is always wrong. Leaving it up to the states would be like leaving slavery up to the states.

103 posted on 05/21/2007 6:01:31 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The problem with that is, mission creep. It's how a war on booze became a war on drugs, fat, guns, and smoking.

Passing an Amendment lays it out once and for all. As the father of two beautiful kids, I'd support such an Amendment. Doing it the way we are currently doing it is unConstitutional and actively dangerous to the protections for our other liberties.

Don't kill the patient curing the disease.

104 posted on 05/21/2007 6:28:57 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
You make a slippery slope logical fallacy argument. We are already well down that slope anyway.

Amendments are politically impossible. We don't need to convince a supermajority. We only need to convince one more Supreme Court Justice.

105 posted on 05/21/2007 6:36:23 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
First you say I made a logical fallacy, then you tell me we're well down the very much factually based slope... so we may as well enjoy the ride.

Come on. You can do better than that.

Also, your "I don't care how badly it violates the Constitution as long as my pet legislation/judicial decision gets through" is part of the reason this country is so screwed up right now. Not a good thing.

106 posted on 05/21/2007 6:41:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

My argument does not violate the Constitution at all. It is based entirely on the 14th amendment. Should slavery be left up to the states too?


107 posted on 05/21/2007 6:43:24 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Slavery was abolished by Amendment. If you ask some of the hoplophobic gun haters here, the Amendments only apply to the FedGov despite Art 6 Para 2. They are wrong. The 13th prevents States from enacting "indentured servitude" or slavery laws just as surely as the 2nd protects individual RKBA.

Look, I'm all for an Amendment abolishing abortion. It is the LEGAL, Constitutional, and honest way to get it done. Anything less throws the baby out with the bathwater. In this case, possibly literally...

108 posted on 05/21/2007 7:18:26 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Slavery had to be abolished by amendment because it was previously protected by the Constitution. Abortion has never been protected by the Constitution, therefore a Constitutional amendment is not required to abolish it.


109 posted on 05/21/2007 7:27:29 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Constitution doesn't list "prevent abortion" as a list of duties assigned to the government.

Pass an Amendment. It isn't that hard to understand.

110 posted on 05/21/2007 7:35:32 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

we already did. The 14th amendment authorizes the federal government to prevent states from depriving any person of life or liberty without due process. Should the unborn have less rights than black people? Should the unborn have less rights than illegal aliens? No. Do states have the power to deprive the unborn of their right to life? No. Not any more than they have the power to deprive you of your guns.


111 posted on 05/21/2007 7:39:35 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: The_Eaglet

She’s not much of a leader....


112 posted on 05/21/2007 7:40:12 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The 14th amendment authorizes the federal government to prevent states from depriving any person of life or liberty without due process.

That is finding an emanation in a penumbra. State it plain. Get an Amendment.

113 posted on 05/21/2007 7:58:24 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
No State shall ...deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law... - United States Constitution

Life is life. That's not any emanation.

114 posted on 05/21/2007 8:01:57 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
So if a Mother aborts due to Natural causes, it's what? Manslaughter? It is to those legal limits you would drive this country. It's patently absurd.

Pass an Amendment.

Keep talking if you want, but I'm done replying to those with their fingers jammed firmly in their ears...

115 posted on 05/21/2007 9:02:38 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse; Tailgunner Joe
"-- there are nonetheless some things majorities must not do to minorities, some areas of life in which the individual must be free of majority rule. --"

I see these areas as enumerated in the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment.
-- Many here do not. Feel free to tell me why not.

Tailgunner joe:
The 14th amendment prohibits states from depriving persons of life without due process. This should extend to unborn persons as well.

It does. Unborn people are protected by state laws against murder. Murder should be prosecuted.

Allowing states to have legal abortion is just as immoral as allowing states to have legal slavery, exactly what the 14th amendment was meant to prohibit.

The 13th abolished slavery. The 14th reiterated that States are bound by the Constitution to protect our rights to life, liberty or property.

Should the unborn have less rights than black people? Should the unborn have less rights than illegal aliens?

Born or unborn, all people have the same inalienable rights. Illegal aliens are denied the privileges and immunities of US citizens.

116 posted on 05/21/2007 9:17:36 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: y'all

The Madisonian Dilemma
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1836773/posts

>> there are nonetheless some things majorities must not do to minorities, some areas of life in which the individual must be free of majority rule. <<

I see these areas as enumerated in the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment.

— Many here do not. Feel free to tell me why not.


117 posted on 05/21/2007 9:20:40 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: y'all

>> Why not prohibit a dangerous evil?
If every drinker is a potential alcoholic, every drug-user a future addict, and every gun-owner a potential killer, why not ban them all?

There is no defense against this logic except to challenge the lies that sit at the root of the arguments.
Those are the lies promoted by the prevailing propaganda in support of all Prohibition.

We cannot oppose one and support the other. To do so undermines our efforts because all these movements walk on the same legs.

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Connecting the War on Guns & Drugs [my title]
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/820965/posts

This is the logical core of the article above.

- Prohibitional power has never been granted to any level of government, federal/state or local.

Governments are limited to legally reasonable regulatory powers by the basic principles of our constitution.


118 posted on 05/21/2007 9:33:42 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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