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Brazil's Indians offended by Pope comments
Reuters ^ | May 14, 2007 | Raymond Colitt

Posted on 05/15/2007 6:15:58 AM PDT by NYer

BRASILIA, May 14 (Reuters) - Outraged Indian leaders in Brazil said on Monday they were offended by Pope Benedict's "arrogant and disrespectful" comments that the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.

Millions of tribal Indians are believed to have died as a result of European colonization backed by the Church since Columbus landed in the Americas in 1492, through slaughter, disease or enslavement.

Many Indians today struggle for survival, stripped of their traditional ways of life and excluded from society.

"It's arrogant and disrespectful to consider our cultural heritage secondary to theirs," said Jecinaldo Satere Mawe, chief coordinator of the Amazon Indian group Coiab.

Several Indian groups sent a letter to the Pope last week asking for his support in defending their ancestral lands and culture. They said the Indians had suffered a "process of genocide" since the first European colonizers had arrived.

Priests blessed conquistadors as they waged war on the indigenous peoples, although some later defended them and many today are the most vociferous allies of Indians.

"The state used the Church to do the dirty work in colonizing the Indians but they already asked forgiveness for that ... so is the Pope taking back the Church's word?" said Dionito Jose de Souza a leader of the Makuxi tribe in northern Roraima state.

Pope John Paul spoke in 1992 of mistakes in the evangelization of native peoples of the Americas.

Pope Benedict not only upset many Indians but also Catholic priests who have joined their struggle, said Sandro Tuxa, who heads the movement of northeastern tribes.

"We repudiate the Pope's comments," Tuxa said. "To say the cultural decimation of our people represents a purification is offensive, and frankly, frightening.

"I think (the Pope) has been poorly advised."

Even the Catholic Church's own Indian advocacy group in Brazil, known as Cimi, distanced itself from the Pope.

"The Pope doesn't understand the reality of the Indians here, his statement was wrong and indefensible," Cimi advisor Father Paulo Suess told Reuters. "I too was upset."


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The wisdom of the indigenous peoples fortunately led them to form a synthesis between their cultures and the Christian faith which the missionaries were offering them. Hence the rich and profound popular religiosity, in which we see the soul of the Latin American peoples:

- love for the suffering Christ, the God of compassion, pardon and reconciliation; the God who loved us to the point of handing himself over for us;
- love for the Lord present in the Eucharist, the incarnate God, dead and risen in order to be the bread of life;
- the God who is close to the poor and to those who suffer;
- the profound devotion to the most holy Virgin of Guadalupe, the Aparecida, the Virgin invoked under various national and local titles. When the Virgin of Guadalupe appeared to the native Indian Saint Juan Diego, she spoke these important words to him: “Am I not your mother? Are you not under my shadow and my gaze? Am I not the source of your joy? Are you not sheltered underneath my mantle, under the embrace of my arms?” (Nican Mopohua, nos. 118-119).
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1 posted on 05/15/2007 6:16:03 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 05/15/2007 6:16:31 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
"It's arrogant and disrespectful to consider our cultural heritage secondary to theirs," said Jecinaldo Satere Mawe, chief coordinator of the Amazon Indian group Coiab.
You still lived in grass huts, without the wheel, draft animals, organized agricultural, or writing. Some of you practiced ritual cannibalism. You were showing zero progress.

No, it's not.

-Eric

3 posted on 05/15/2007 6:18:46 AM PDT by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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To: NYer

The neopagans are becoming bold not only in Brazil, but in Bolivia - where official government policy proposed before the Congress is to forbid the teaching of Catholicism in both public and private schools, and to replace it with compulsory instruction in pagan savagery.


4 posted on 05/15/2007 6:19:57 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: E Rocc

Well said!


5 posted on 05/15/2007 6:20:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Death is perishable. Faith is eternal.)
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To: bdeaner

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6 posted on 05/15/2007 6:20:44 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
Outraged Indian leaders in Brazil said on Monday they were offended by Pope Benedict's "arrogant and disrespectful" comments that the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

Hey people, he's the POPE. If he didn't believe Cathlocism was a superior religious faith, he wouldn't be the POPE. Deal with it. If you want to pray to trees, eat your enemies and shrink their heads- go for it. Just don't expect moral relativism and absolution by the POPE
7 posted on 05/15/2007 6:24:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: wideawake

Didn’t know that, and will ask my boss about it.


8 posted on 05/15/2007 6:28:16 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wideawake
The neopagans are becoming bold not only in Brazil, but in Bolivia...

The neopagans are becoming bold not only in Brazil, but in Boston............

9 posted on 05/15/2007 6:30:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: E Rocc

They were offered Christianity, by whatever means, and they rejected it. Shake the dust off your sandals and move on. God will deal with them later..........


10 posted on 05/15/2007 6:32:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: NYer

I wonder are they going to burn things down now? Their own artifacts show what kind of peoples they were. They weren’t particularly nice. Puhleeze.

Viva Il Papa!


11 posted on 05/15/2007 6:38:16 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: E Rocc
The Indians in the Americas had developed writing centuries before ~ several kinds of it too.

The initial charge, however, is wrong ~ genocide simply was not conducted against the Indians. For a variety of reasons vast plagues swept through native populations in the Western hemisphere and tens, even hundreds, of millions of people died.

Traditionaly Western diseases have been blamed for these deaths, but more recent findings by authoritative and competent scientific investigators have revealed that the plagues were probably hanta virus of various kinds.

There are gazillions of reference works on the matter ~ yet they remain unread.

12 posted on 05/15/2007 6:38:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Millions of tribal Indians are believed to have died as a result of European colonization backed by the Church since Columbus landed in the Americas in 1492, through slaughter, disease or enslavement.

This is infuriatingly bad history. I know next to nothing about the history of colonial Brazil, but in North America at least, this same canard is offered and it is grossly distorted.

The biggest slaughterers and enslavers of Indians in the 1600s-1700s were other Indians themselves--who often allied themselves with European colonial powers (e.g. Hurons and Algonquins, Narragansetts & Mohegans), OR attacked and destroyed other tribes completely on their own volition without European help except for arms (e.g. Iroquois).

The Iroquois, in particular, dispossessed the following tribes of the original homelands: Hurons, Petun, Shawnee, Potawatomi, Mascouten, Sauk, Fox, Kickapoo. We can also add the Neutrals, Erie, Honniasont, Mosopelea, who not only were destroyed by the Iroquois but were never heard from again.

Colonial history is complex--shifting allegiances, intra-tribal warfare, colonial powers playing against each other. It is a massive disservice to portray it as simplistically as people tend to do nowadays.

But I think that's the point, isn't it? Indians good, Europeans bad. Nice pat formula that fits in nicely with race hatred against Europeans.

13 posted on 05/15/2007 6:47:44 AM PDT by Claud
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To: NYer

Reuters, you are abysmal.


14 posted on 05/15/2007 6:59:16 AM PDT by mtntop3
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To: Claud
Indians good, Europeans bad. Nice pat formula that fits in nicely with race hatred against Europeans.

Don't forget that the Injuns stole the land from the Australian Aborigines thousands of years before Europeans ever set foot in the Americas.

That aside, what are these people expecting? He's the Pope... and although I have serious disagreements with the way the Catholic Church operates in the USA, I think what the Pope said is right on the money.

15 posted on 05/15/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by pnh102
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To: pnh102

I am offended that they are offended!

I demand they retract their offensive comments immediately!!!


16 posted on 05/15/2007 7:15:28 AM PDT by starlifter
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To: Jaded; Claud

Pope Benedict XVI blesses two faithful during an open air mass in front of the Basilica of Our Lady of Aparecida, Brazil's national saint, in the city of Aparecida, 166 km outside of Sao Paulo, May 13, 2007. REUTERS/Osseratore Romano
17 posted on 05/15/2007 7:26:52 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Red Badger
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AND look what THEY BECOME NOWADAYS when they cease to be Neopagans.....

18 posted on 05/15/2007 7:33:27 AM PDT by Traianus (YES I GOT HIM! BASHAR IS 666....)
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To: E Rocc
You were showing zero progress.

Actually the Indians of the Amazon jungle area had an incredible amount of useful information about a multitude of natural medicines. Scientists are now striving to learn again what has been forgotten about those Indian medicines.

19 posted on 05/15/2007 7:37:27 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: muawiyah
There are gazillions of reference works on the matter ~ yet they remain unread.

The death rate among the California mission Indians during the mission era (1769-1834) was about 90%.

And, there is increasing evidence that introduced diseases had already significantly lowered populations by the time Spanish colonization began.

20 posted on 05/15/2007 8:00:32 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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