Posted on 05/15/2007 8:49:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
On defense for much of the evening, Giuliani switched to the attack nearly an hour into the debate, challenging Rep. Ron Paul's suggestion that the U.S. bombing of Iraq had contributed to the terrorist attacks of 2001.
As someone who lived through 9/11, the man who was New York mayor at the time, Giuliani said sternly, "I don't think I've ever heard that before, and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations."
His rebuke to Paul drew some of the loudest applause of the night from the partisan audience at the University of South Carolina campus.
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Thanks. I'll remember that statement of yours when I see your posts.
Ross Perot redux?
With about 1% of the vote, taking from both sides. Will not affect the race one bit, our republican choice will still win.
No, we just need our reporters to stop calling anyone but McGuiliRomney a "second tier" candidate. I almost threw my remote through my TV when Carl Cameron referred to one of them that way tonight.
Ron Paul was stating a positin well laid out by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, and FBI.
Here is the entire August 23rd, 1996 fatwa from Bin Laden:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
FreeRepublic isn’t conducive to frank discussion on the matter, so try some of the books, reports and other source materials from the 9/11 Commission report:
Ahmed Rashid, Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia (Yale Univ. Press, 2000),
Steve Coll, Ghost Wars:The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to Sep-
tember 10, 2001 (Penguin, 2004),
.....
Rudy Guiliani damn well knows the truth, and he damn well knows that 90%+ of the intended audience for this debate does not know the truth, and he made a snap judgement on stage in front of millions of eyeballs, he decided to pull the wool over your eyes, and decided he’d try to get away with it.
And from viewing the responses on FR so far, Rudy correctly calculated the odds he’d get away with grossly twisting the words of a US Senator using his New Yorka vaudeville song and dance.
Amen, JR!
Because Christians and Jews are on the top of Bin Laden's list. The secular/socialists are secondary. But, make no mistake, all of us who aren't Muslim, or more specifically, the right kind of Muslim, are on the submit or die list.
And Swiss bank accounts probably enjoy plenty of bank fees from the terrorist network.
Mr. Paul, for all of his admirable conservative principles, apparently is clueless on this point. One cannot make friends with sociopaths.
Ron Paul only has one vote. I agree Islamofacists if getting worse. Who or what policy is to blame?
Ron Paul is the only Congressman, in either house, who walks the talk as a Constitutional strict constructionist. His vote against Iraq was determined upon Constitutional grounds. That vote will prevent him from gaining any serious consideration as a presidential candidate, however. I support the war in Iraq, myself. But, I am quite aware that the manner in which we entered into that war was not on a sound Constitutional footing. It's just strange, to hear so many conservatives, who consider themselves to be strict constructionists, mocking the only candidate who actually, consistently espouses such a thing, day in and day out, and has for decades. I've long admired Ron Paul, and I still admire Ron Paul. Would that we had 100 more of him. Our country would be in far better shape.
Do you work for the Ron Paul campaign? Your not serious are you? Your joking around right?
“Understanding one’s enemies and their motives is instrumental to victory, to paraphrase Sun Tzu.”
With all due respect, Ron Paul does not understand the enemy or their motive.
I didn't say that Rep. Paul did. I agreed with his statement that we should examine the effects of our actions and how they motivate our enemies. I don't ascribe to the belief that "we brought this on ourselves." Islamo-fascists have been fighting us since the Eighties, even if we weren't fighting back.
James R. McClure Jr.
Anti-Federalist Democrat
It isn’t a matter of policy unless you believe that radical Islam was created by the U.S. government. It’s a matter of a militant sect of a world religion believing that anybody else not like them should submit to them or be killed. It’s patently absurd to suggest that simply leaving them alone would appease them (and appeasement is precisely what Paul hopes for).
Go Ron Go !!!!
See dick run!
You must be lost. As a general rule, Freepers don't support open-borders, pro-abortion, gay loving, gun grabbers.
"Stating that geo-politics have Newtonian properties, such as every action leads to a reation, isn’t insane or unpatriotic. Understanding one’s enemies and their motives is instrumental to victory, to paraphrase Sun Tzu."
That's a bunch of liberal hogwash. You don't need to know your enemies, you just need to kill them. And if you get to torture them, that's a bonus. The only real disappointment was that Guliani and Tancredo wrapped themselves in platitudes about Jack Bauer and "doing what it takes" instead of just saying how they saw it. Quit being politically correct and just say that you'll torture them if that's what it takes.
I'll stand behind Sun Tzu's axiom that knowing yourself and knowing your enemy will win you battles. I'm not being PC. I'm a realist and a military historian. Understanding your opponent: their strengths, weaknesses, motives, and goals, is crucial to success.
WRT "torture," I'll take waterboarding over decapitation anyday. I honestly wish that candidates from both sides would recognize that illegal combatants (like terrorists) do _not_ enjoy any Geneva Convention protections.
James R. McClure Jr.
Anti-Federalist Democrat
Ron Paul tonight clearly RESTATED the analysis of the Clinton and Bush administrations, RESTATED the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission report, RESTATED the analysis the CIA has developed for the last 10 years regarding the Al Qaeda terrorist network.
That Rudy is so willing to be ensconced in the warm glow of the leftist media spotlight to be used as a whip against Paul, should in and of it self make on e question WHY so little of the actual analysis’s that are publicly available have been given media coverage by the mainstream media.
I saw 1 man up there state the known truth, and 8 men who have built political positions in opposition to the truth strike back at Paul in an attempt to silence the man who said the Emperor has no clothes.
The situation will never improve if the conversation isn’t allowed to be frank and open, and factually centered.
I would remind you that as a general rule, Freepers also don’t support “Republican” candidates who would either pretend radical Islam doesn’t exist or simply submit to Islamic rule.
Paul should just get it over with and put on his traditional Islamic garb. He’d have less to hide.
Well said. I was furious and couldn’t believe Ron Paul said that. Glad Rudy spoke up, he vented for me! No one else did. RonPaul should just bow out, IMO. What part of ‘infidel’ doesn’t Ron get?
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