Posted on 05/25/2007 4:30:11 PM PDT by drzz
****That isn’t true at all, the American soldier took care to limit death, they took care of their POWS, and protected women and children as best they could, ****
Yet after the “Massacre” at Sand CFreek the soldiers found a baby in the snow. They threw it in a wagon box where they kept animal feed and later abandoned the baby on the plains in the snow. TIME lIFE MAGAZINE told me so! I still have the book!
BUT That was proven FALSE over 135 years ago! They found the baby, gave it to captive Indian women and several days later noticed the women didn’t have the baby. The women had abandoned it days before.
I thought it was two fingers also. When I was a kid, it was (for some reason) fun to sneak up behind a victim and hold two fingers behind there head and say “queue the indian”. I don’t know why we did that or what it meant. But that’s the first thing I thought of when I saw that picture.
It was extra damaging to the victim if you did it while posing for a group photo and got your fingers in the photo positioned just right.
My family belonged to the civilized nations in Oklahoma. They had a history being good fighters and a company of them under one of my ancestors served with Anthony Wayne at the Batlle of Fallen Timbers. Anyway, after the move to Oklahoma they found themselves on the east side of the Crosstimbers with the Kiowa Comanches on the other. They had to learn to take up the rifle and fomr raanger companies and fight off the “wild” Indians. Formidable people who didn’t want strangers in their territory and, as you say. not nice.
This guy is no more native American than you are. He's just playin' the ever popular, most lucrative victim/race card. Some of his ancestors may have been victims, but he sure isn't.
But don't lump all Indian descendants as revisionsists. There was plenty of blame to go around. It's a typical mistake lumping all tribes or even clans of tribes as the same. They were as varied in beliefs and practices as the variety of people on this continent today are. And "Indian" is the name most used to describe themselves.
WE, born here today in this country, are Native Americans.
***My family belonged to the civilized nations in Oklahoma.***
Ever heard the Navajos talk about their LONG WALK? 300 miles. I get so tired of hearing about it I could choke but I don’t. I tell them of the Cherokee LONG WALK, 1500 miles in winter, across several mountain ranges and BIG rivers. Then when they got to Oklahoma they found the best lands taken by rich cherokees who took boats. An internal war started which killed a large number of Cherokees.
It makes the Navajo long walk look like a weekend stroll.
But then, when someone at every step pokes you in the butt with a bayonete even a short walk seems long.
It's a bit more complicated than that. Some of the better to do Cherokee did go early, but most of them were actually the last contigent of the trail of tears. They waited so they would not have to confront the Ross party faction of the tribe who were trying to kill them for signing the treaty of New Echota. That is what started the killing. Shortly after arriving in Indian Territory in 1839, 3 of the signers were killed.My grgruncle David Bell was another signer that was assassinated by Ross followers a few years later.
Just as a FYI, the Trail of Tears the Cherokee traveled was around 700 plus miles depending on the route they took. My family recorded 707 miles from Fort Cass. TN., where they were held to Evansville, Arkansas. They took some military roads and shortened their trip from some of the other contingents.
fish hawk, WE are the government. Andrew Jackson isn't in office anymore. I owe no one an appology, how 'bout you?
More useful would be looking at the way the government has handled money that belongs to the nations. Reminds me of the way Congress has misused the social security “fund.”
By the way I'm part Cherokee, so what?
If you want to keep up the 'someone owes me an apology' game, that's your problem. What we should have learned is united we stand, divided we fall, something our native ancestors didn't 'get'. We'll agree to disagree, just as they did I guess.
Agreed.
It is absurd to hear the pathetic whining of illegal Mexicans when one considers the true suffering of the American Indian.
Of course there is an attitude of white supremacy in this country, but how unusual is this? The people who control the wealth and government of a country always think they are superior. Likewise the people of education and wealth look down on those of their own race and feel a closer tie to those of similar education in other races. Only when they feel a common threat do the rich bond with the poor of their own nation or race.
To their credit, most illegals don’t win and complain. The problem is that their leaders do and know that they have the support of the rich and powerful.
Yes, it is. One of them and I had quite a discussion when he suggested that we share a 'common bond'
You'll appreciate this:
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2006/10/mr-reconquista-show-me-yours-and-ill.html
You people? THAT is the problem. Why do you identify yourself as separate from the rest of us.
Well, I'm no Ward Churchill, I know my ancestry. I've got letters by mine from the 1800's. They tried to become productive citizens, could read and write. What did yours leave you with except a sense of needing an 'apology' for something that was never done to YOU.
Now, let's get to it. I've got 300 years of written history by MY people, let's see yours. Be DAMN careful who you call a liar.
What, then, would cause modern whites to claim false bloodlines? I think that it is an identification with the cultural positives that they see in the Indians in general. Americans are great at adopting those aspects of other cultures that they feel are superior to their own and rejecting those that they feel are not. It is a constant search for improvement and a self introspection more than a racial certitude that drives it. Since it falls along racial lines it can easily be mistaken for racial ranking instead of cultural. To some whites who have no other claim of achievement, it may BE a racial self-justification but they have no claim to a broader definition.
Oops, I left fish hawk off that reply. I meant to address both.
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