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Are we ready to do what it takes to reclaim the Republican Party?
http://www.freerepublic.com/~dangus ^ | 5.30.07 | Dangus (Vanity)

Posted on 05/30/2007 11:10:08 AM PDT by dangus

"Rebuilding" is a very trying experience for baseball fans. It's what owners do when they decide that the current team is overpayed, underperforming, and irreformable. They clear out the current regulars and make room for new talent. In the meanwhile, though, fans have to suffer through a few seasons of not even hoping to win.

When done well, it works. The New York Yankees found themselves paying the highest salaries year after year in the 1980s. Although they had the best winning percentage overall for that decade, they had no division titles, let alone World Series championships, to show for it. They rebuilt in the early 1990s, and ended up winning four World Series in five years, largely based on the performance of new, home-grown stars like Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, and Andy Pettitte.

That the Yankees did undergo rebuilding was amazing, since George Steinbrenner always ran the team like there was no next year... and that's what the puppet-masters in Washington rely on the party faithful acting like each election.

It's time to say: no more. For five years, the Republican Party controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency, and we have nothing to show for it but a few trillion more dollars of debt.

One positive that has come out of this immigration deal is that the faces of the Republican Party have been revealed, and my God! are they hideous! The GOP establishment has made plain that they have nothing but contempt for middle Americans, regarding us "racist," "prejudiced," "nativist," and "ignorant." It's time they go.

We must rid the GOP of the likes of Sens. Lindsay Graham, Dick Lugar, and Chuck Hagel. They are from deep red states, and still rule over us like Marxist overlords. They voted to permit local governments to obstruct justice by harboring fugitive aliens, including terrorists. We must defeat them in primaries at all costs. We know who the enemies of America are.

The hatred of the GOP establishment for America is more widespread than those two, however. I believe we have to go after Senators from purple states, too, to declare, once and for all, that betraying America is not an acceptable strategy to hold on to control. As they come up for re-election over the next six years, we must reject the RINOS like Sens. Olympia Snowe, Arlen Specter, and George Voinovich, but also the fake conservatives like Pete Domenici, and John Warner.

Don't fall for ratings like those from lobbyist clubs like the American Conservative Union. Too often, "85% conservative" means only that the senator's vote was needed for treachery only 15% of the time.

Yes, in the short run, there may be more Democrats elected. But we have to recognize that there is a difference between electing loyal Americans and electing Republicans; and there is no difference between having Arlen Specter rule and having Pat Leahy rule.


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1 posted on 05/30/2007 11:10:09 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Time for a tea party.


2 posted on 05/30/2007 11:11:37 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: dangus
Are we ready to do what it takes to reclaim the Republican Party?

yep...starting the 4th of July
3 posted on 05/30/2007 11:12:33 AM PDT by stylin19a (It's easier to get up at 6:00 AM to play golf than at 10:00 to mow the yard)
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To: dangus

You know what would really be a sure fire way to reclaim the republican party???

Is to stay home on election day to teach those republicans in Congress a lesson.

Oh! We did that in 2006 and now have no majority in the House to stop this insane immigration bill.

That was a great idea, let’s do it in 2008 so that President Hillary will really teach to GOP a lesson./sarc


4 posted on 05/30/2007 11:14:24 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: dangus

Yes, I’d like to reclaim the Republican Party — but not in the way you have in mind. I’d like to have a broad-based party that can accomodate different views, not one held hostage by social conservatives.

Don’t get me wrong. I have no love for Chuck Hagel and the others you mention. Defeat them in the primaries, by all means. But recognize that it’s a big country, and it takes a big party to represent divergent viewpoints. If the GOP doesn’t want to do it, someone else will.


5 posted on 05/30/2007 11:15:49 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: Perdogg

I don’t think dangus is suggesting we stay home on election day.


6 posted on 05/30/2007 11:15:53 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: stylin19a
yep...starting the 4th of July Amen!
7 posted on 05/30/2007 11:16:56 AM PDT by Dominnae ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." -- Winston Churchill)
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To: Perdogg

You guys will never get it. True conservatives are fed up with being dissed by elitist Republicans, who are happier in the minority anyway. All you care about is maintaining what little power you have left. Some of us have been dissed for the last time.


8 posted on 05/30/2007 11:18:23 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: stylin19a

Why is July 4th significant?


9 posted on 05/30/2007 11:18:42 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: dangus
Yes, in the short run, there may be more Democrats elected.

That is a "short run" we cannot afford, as the "short run" in the short months since last November's election should amply prove.

10 posted on 05/30/2007 11:20:05 AM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: dangus

No.

People fear change the most. Republicans tend to be self sufficient, and responsible. Most Republicans are middle class or better. There is not enough pressure yet to cause real change. Sure, we’ll get fired up for a cycle or two, then it’s back to business as usual.
It will take more effort from the grassroots, because the big money is all for the status quo. For real change to happen, it will require concerted, constant effort.
I just hope that the drive for change comes before it’s too late.

We will have to endure another Clinton presidency starting in ‘09, and it won’t be pretty for any of us.


11 posted on 05/30/2007 11:21:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: dangus
It took the GOP giving away the White House in 1992 (compliments of GHWB) and the nation's conservative citzenry suffering through 8 long years of shame and humiliation under the embarassment of Slick Willie and his co-president Hitlery.

Is it going to take a repeat of history for conservatives to regain control once again? It's shaping up to head that way because of the current GOP's failure to represent it's conservative voter base. Time will tell.

12 posted on 05/30/2007 11:22:32 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Giving illegal aliens a Z-Visa is like giving the car thief ownership to the vehicle he stole.)
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To: Perdogg

If we had a Republican president instead of an elitist snob who thinks conservatives are racist, sexist, ignorant hicks, we wouldn’t have to worry about Nancy Pelosi... And in a few more years, she’d be gone.

But, you’re obviously the type who’d trade away the whole farm system for a few more David Wrights and Carl Pavanos.


13 posted on 05/30/2007 11:23:12 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: CindyDawg

I’m a classical liberal/hardcore libertarian. I would vote republican, but they look like there are becoming the NO- Nothing Party. What a bunch of dudes the Repos are becoming...


14 posted on 05/30/2007 11:23:41 AM PDT by X-Ecutioner
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To: dangus
"Rebuilding" is a very trying experience for baseball fans...

Don't know if the analogy holds. Only takes a season or two for a baseball owner whereas it can take several election cycles (many years) to straighten out a political party.

Our chance came with the '94 election - and defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory 12 years later.

I may not live long enough to see the next 'rebuild'...

15 posted on 05/30/2007 11:23:43 AM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Why canít we start solving the problem by breaking up Big Government?"- MortMan)
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To: jonathanmo

>> Why is July 4th significant? <<

That’s the expected date of the announcement that the man many hope will be the Fredemption of the party is running.


16 posted on 05/30/2007 11:25:08 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: Perdogg
You know what would really be a sure fire way to reclaim the republican party???

Is to stay home on election day to teach those republicans in Congress a lesson.

Oh! We did that in 2006 and now have no majority in the House to stop this insane immigration bill.


I can't believe we still have people whining about 2006. But more importantly, I can't believe that some people seem incapable of learning even some of the most obvious lessons.

So let's review:

1) Who is the biggest supporter of this bill? That's right - our own Republican President Bush.
2) How many Republican Senators have stood up and said they will do what it takes to stop this bill? That's right - ZERO. In fact, they, along with the President, are calling conservatives ignorant bigots for objecting to the bill.

Now, I want you to think very carefully about the wisdom of returning these same people over and over again to office. The Republican Party is no longer any more conservative than the Democrats. There are, indeed, conservatives in the Republican party, but apparently they are held in low esteem by the party elites. The end result is that voting Republican, in this instance at least, would change virtually nothing, and might even have the negative effect of rewarding liberal behavior in Republicans by returning them to office despite their bad behavior. The only way to save the Republican Party, if it can be saved, is to purge the RINO office holders.
17 posted on 05/30/2007 11:26:33 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

The ‘94 revolution ended in ‘96, when anti-conservative Bob Dole won the nomination and that night directed the bombers apon his own infantry.


18 posted on 05/30/2007 11:26:53 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: Perdogg

“Oh! We did that in 2006 and now have no majority in the House to stop this insane immigration bill.”

Oh, yeah, that Republican majority sure did some good things. They tightened the budget tighter than an frog’s a$$, didn’t they? They took up the cause for smashing some of the PC silliness and fixed our schools. Heck, even though we have a minority now, we have a Republican president who will veto insane immigration bills, right?

Hmmmm, maybe that didn’t happen, and it was a dream I had?


19 posted on 05/30/2007 11:26:55 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: dangus

No I would not. Jefferson when he became President learned a lot. He learned that there was a big difference in being President than running for President.

Even Reagan learned that as well. Remember Reagan wanted to eliminate the Dept of Energy and Education and make Puerto Rico a state?

The beauty of the American political system is that absolute power shifts is almost impossible. However, I don’t want Hillary President or we are going to be a one party dictatorship.


20 posted on 05/30/2007 11:28:28 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
People staying home did not cost Republican seats. Republicans didn’t get the job done. I held my nose but others weren’t buying what was being sold. Take away any cheat % and the election went as it was designed. I’m really concerned because instead of fixing the problem for the last 3 years all I still see is “whose fault it is”. The enemy is probably laughing.
21 posted on 05/30/2007 11:29:31 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: stylin19a
STARTING RIGHT NOW.
22 posted on 05/30/2007 11:32:16 AM PDT by BMC1 (MOHAMMED INVENTED ISLAM IN ORDER TO LOOT, MURDER AND SUBJUGATE OTHERS. THEY DO SATAN'S BIDDING.)
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So what’s your plan to go after Luger, Voinovich, Snowe, Specter, Warner, Graham, Hagel, ect?

Do we have candidates waiting in the wings? Financing? PR firms? Media? Organizations in each State?

Have these Candidates been vetted? Are they media savvy? Name recognition?

Will they be supported utterly and completely by FreeRepublic?

Finally, is this a 2 year plan? Five year plan? Ten or Twelve year plan?

23 posted on 05/30/2007 11:32:47 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: joylyn

Said like a liberal!


24 posted on 05/30/2007 11:33:48 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: dangus

We DID all that rebuilding and Reclaiming. We got the people elected and won a majority, including the White House. It was TIME for all of our goals to begin their way towards fruition. Instead?

No Child Left Behind

MediCare Prescription Drug Benefits

Wide open borders, DESPITE 9-11

Growth of the FedGov And the associated increase in spending

And NOW, to TOP IT ALL OFF, amnesty for illegal felons here.

I fear we that we are collectively directing our urine streams into the proverbial fan.


25 posted on 05/30/2007 11:37:59 AM PDT by RoadGumby
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To: Perdogg

How is electing a RINO different?
oh...that’s right...

there is no difference!

VIVA LES RINOS!!!

BRAVO CHARLIE CRIST!!


26 posted on 05/30/2007 11:41:19 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: dangus
One positive that has come out of this immigration deal is that the faces of the Republican Party have been revealed, and my God! are they hideous!

Not to mention the bad hairpieces...


27 posted on 05/30/2007 11:41:36 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: Perdogg

Sounds good to me...


28 posted on 05/30/2007 11:42:39 AM PDT by dakine
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To: RoadGumby

>> We DID all that rebuilding and Reclaiming. We got the people elected and won a majority, including the White House. It was TIME for all of our goals to begin their way towards fruition. Instead? <<

No, we were so hungry for a majority, we took whatever Republicans we could get. Now, we have to choose the RIGHT Republicans.


29 posted on 05/30/2007 11:42:54 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: Perdogg
Is to stay home on election day to teach those republicans in Congress a lesson. Oh! We did that in 2006 and now have no majority in the House to stop this insane immigration bill.

You might have stayed home but conservatives did not, they voted. Unfortunately for Republicans, Independents turned against them in droves.

It is tiresome to keep reading this BS that conservatives did not vote for conservative candidates. Not once has anyone showed that this happened nationally.

It is true that many conservatives will no longer vote for liberals, even if they're Republican, but this is not to teach anyone a lesson, it is merely being true to ones principles, something the Republican party might think about doing.

30 posted on 05/30/2007 11:48:47 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: roses of sharon

>> Finally, is this a 2 year plan? Five year plan? Ten or Twelve year plan? <<

It’s a six-year plan. That’s how long it’d take to return a GOP candidate to a seat lost to a Democrat.

>> Do we have candidates waiting in the wings? Financing? PR firms? Media? Organizations in each State? <<

PR Firms, dreams of finding friendly media, and party-insider organizations are the problem. Financing will follow if we support the right candidates, but the sellouts to the Chambers of Commerce will always be wealthier.

>> So what’s your plan to go after Luger, Voinovich, Snowe, Specter, Warner, Graham, Hagel, ect? <<

Yup. Those are pretty much the Satanic Seven.

>> Have these Candidates been vetted? Are they media savvy? Name recognition? <<

Market follows demand. As for name recognition, primary opponents never have name recognition except what they build themselves.

>> Will they be supported utterly and completely by FreeRepublic? <<

Give all the lemmings who supported Arnold over McClintock, probably not, although that’s not a perfectly parallel case.


31 posted on 05/30/2007 11:52:02 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: Prokopton

Of the 39 house Republicans who were booted, only 15 sponsored English as our official language. That’s 38%. On the other hand, 68% of all House Republicans sponsored it. And Republican congressmen from blue and purple districts were just as likely to sponsor it as those from very red districts.

There were a few patriots lost in 2006, like Hostetler (IN) and Hayworth (AZ), but very few.


32 posted on 05/30/2007 11:56:06 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: dangus

Ah got it. Since I thought it was guys like Fred Thompson that were being dismissed in the original post (Fred has an ACU rating of 86, which means 14% of the time he’s not a conservative), I assumed a new face was coming like Tom Coburn or someone like that.


33 posted on 05/30/2007 11:56:46 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: dangus

Oh, OK.


34 posted on 05/30/2007 11:59:39 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: dangus

If we had a Republican president instead of an elitist snob who thinks conservatives are racist, sexist, ignorant hicks, we wouldn’t have to worry ???

Does the name FRED ring a bell?


35 posted on 05/30/2007 12:02:39 PM PDT by dusttoyou (FredThompsonBot!!!!!!!)
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To: jonathanmo

Saint Fred will announce his candidacy. Gettin’ a little tired of it already.


36 posted on 05/30/2007 12:03:49 PM PDT by jagusafr (The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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To: dangus
The actual core of the Republican Party is the local club. There are enough Freerepublicans to make a substantial difference at the Local club level. Participate in the Pre-primaries and primaries, and all these squabbles will seem like a bad memory. Never ever vote for anyone who supports abortion, a tax increase, or political correctness, and about every other issue kinda takes cake of itself.
In the current state of affairs, when you get the fund-raising message, send it back saying that you will send no money to the party until it starts enforcing the borders.
37 posted on 05/30/2007 12:05:24 PM PDT by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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To: roses of sharon
We're probably stuck with RINOs in the blue states. But there is no reason to tolerate them in the red states, and there will be work to be done to turn purple states into red ones.

Then it won't matter how many RINOs or Rat Socialists get sent to Congress from the blue states.

38 posted on 05/30/2007 12:08:24 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: dangus

The republican party of 2007 is the similar to the Whig party of 1856. Disagreement amongst party members over slavery in the Territories was the hot argument of the day and it tore the party in half.

Illegal immigration is the hot issue that is tearing the republican party apart today.

It needs to die. There’s too large a discrepancy between the country clubbers and their demand for cheap illegal labor and the common man who has to compete against illegals for jobs and wages.


39 posted on 05/30/2007 12:08:52 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: CindyDawg

Absolutely. First to go in the harbor would be Dick Lugar.


40 posted on 05/30/2007 12:09:49 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: dangus

VOTE CONSERVATIVE ALL THE TIME, EVERYTIME!


41 posted on 05/30/2007 12:10:23 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: dangus

What to improve the party? Then more conservatives ought to run for the local seats (Village Council, School Board, and County Commissioners). This way, conservative can develop a farm team for higher offices. Also on a local level, conservatives have the opportunity to show uninformed voters that conservativism is good for them. Remember, today’s school board member could be tomorrow’s Senator.


42 posted on 05/30/2007 12:14:30 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Perdogg

You are so correct. Some here have let their anger, no matter how justified, turn them into members of a circular firing squad. If you “show” the Republicans, you enable the RATS. I’m not so sure some of these folks aren’t left over Perotistas and left wing plants.


43 posted on 05/30/2007 12:21:23 PM PDT by PicWzrd (Run Fred Run!)
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To: JennysCool

When we did have the majority, we didn’t get anything of value out of Congress, anyway.


44 posted on 05/30/2007 12:22:09 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: dangus
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

45 posted on 05/30/2007 12:22:13 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: jonathanmo
Fred has an ACU rating of 86, which means 14% of the time he’s not a conservative)

No, that means that 14% of the time the ACU disagreed with his vote. While ACU ratings are meaningful, they are not gospel.

46 posted on 05/30/2007 12:24:38 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Parmy

We didn’t get an immigration bill.


47 posted on 05/30/2007 12:25:49 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: joylyn

So what would such a party stand for? What would it mean to be a Republican-low taxes,anti-abortion etc? What you have in mind is a party which stands for nothing and will fall for anthing-pretty much exactly what we have today.


48 posted on 05/30/2007 12:28:30 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: Prokopton

I was just going with the author’s theory about ACU ratings...Coburn is rated 100%...Fred, Bill Frist, Bob Dole, John McCain all have similar ACU ratings that the author was dismissing in his post.


49 posted on 05/30/2007 12:29:55 PM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: Perdogg
You got it! Hillary will probably win in 08. This is sad and unfortunate indeed. The Republican Party has had a field day on us CONSERVATIVES. I was at one time a Bush Bot like yourself after 9-11. However looking back as this article has said we have nothing to show for the last 5 years other than 4 trillion dollars more debt, a fake war on terror, Estados Unidos in the making, several idiotic hate crime bills, and a bunch of COWARDS (pu$$y republicans) that wont stand up and fight for ANYTHING that’s good for America. These pathetic fools couldn’t even protect OUR FLAG OR THE PLEGE OF ALLIGANCE !!!!!!!!
50 posted on 05/30/2007 12:30:52 PM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
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