Posted on 05/31/2007 6:28:48 AM PDT by Valin
WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!
Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.
If that was an articulate and forceful defense of the bill, it must be even worse than I thought.
And do you think the penalty will be paid,
or do you think that “advocates” will deem it “too punative” and get it waved?
I believe the latter more than I believe any fairy tale about a sudden call for enforcement.
“The flaw is that I think that the merit system is just going to reward, or is going to be skewed too heavily toward people with high skills who speak English, when we also need people who work in the fields, and work in restaurants, and work in construction. And we don’t want a situation where the only people who can get permanent visas are Asians from Europe.”
Bizarre. She actually wants more low-skill immigrants and imported poverty into this country. we cant be stuck with “Asians from Europe.” huh?
Apparently all our kids are going to be goofing off at the country club and someone else has to do all the hard work.
Goofy.
This makes no sense. You do not address the issue. Since a penalty is paid, it is not amnesty, which means the absence of any penalty.
Do you have any idea where the trillions of dollars this will cost come from? Hint: The taxpayer.
The taxpayer will always have to pay for the funding of any public services, just as they would pay for massive deportation and enforcement. Those with provisional Z visas are required to work. If they do not, they lose their status.
The public is overwhelmingly against this bill. The numbers of people who are against it is growing every day.
In a representative democracy, the elected legislators are to use their best judgment for the common good. If the voters don't agree, they can vote them out at the next election. Also, polling results depend on how the question is phrased, by the way, so I don't think they necessarily mean much.
Tighten border security, have strict workplace enforcement and the illegals will self deport. This has been proven time and time again to work. Whenever there’s a raid on a company...the local shanty towns are vacated overnight.
The bill takes practical measures to heighten border security and improve the employment identification system. But of course opponents would prefer to do nothing at all to improve enforcement and remain with the broken down status quo.
The bill provides for 60+million to emigrate under the family plan.
No, the bill provides that the backlog of family-based petitions THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FILED be resolved within a period of years. Going forward, family based immigration is much more restrictive than at present. But of course opponents never mention that.
The whorehouse admits to 20+ million here illegally.
If you're not going to deport them, then it is better to legalize and assimilate those currently illegally in the country. Those like George Will who are comfortable with the status quo of a large underclass of illegals are not practical and are undermining the rule of law.
If it’s in the law, it can’t be waived. Saying a law will be ignored does not seem a particularly compelling reason to oppose a good law.
You are assuming that the bureaucracy that is unable to protect us from illegal immigration NOW, will suddenly be able to track the compliance to this New Bright Shiny Pill we are being told to swallow.
Right....
I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
The solution IS simple, if you take out all the “liberalness” of the issue.
Close the boarder to unauthorized crossing.
Allow law enforcement to check the legal status of anyone they come into contact with. Deport the illegals.
Again you are assuming the the bureaucracy that cannot handle immigration NOW will suddenly be able to do it after this bill is signed.
“The bill takes practical measures to heighten border security and improve the employment identification system. But of course opponents would prefer to do nothing at all to improve enforcement and remain with the broken down status quo.”
Again you are assuming the the bureaucracy that cannot handle immigration NOW will suddenly be able to do it after this bill is signed.
I would go on repeating this but what is the point. This didn't’t work in ‘86, and it won’t work now. We will be in the same situation in only 10 years this time, as those wishing to come here know it will be far easier to ‘skate’ their way in.
The probationary Z VISA will cost little or nothing. This probationary visa must be given with 24 hours of being applied for unless there is a reason to turn down the applicant. This is an idiotic way of vetting these 12-20 million illegals
They later on will get their Z VISA which they can pay off monthly. I see $3000 so that $100/month to jump the line ahead of educated people who have waited years to legally immigrate here. There is no provision to deport or prosecute those who stop paying off their Z VISA
You will pay the legal bills of anyone who has Z VISA hassles
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3. If passed, this bill will make taxpayers pay the legal bills for illegal aliens seeking amnesty. Tucked away on page 317 is a provision that would allow lawyers in the federally-funded legal services program to represent illegal aliens, which they are presently barred from doing. SWEET!!!
4. This bill rewards illegal aliens for breaking our laws. There are tens of millions of people who respect our laws and our country, waiting patiently, in line, often in their home countries, to get a chance to come here. Under this bill, illegal aliens will immediately be eligible for a “Z Visa” which allows them to work, go to school, and — this is important — stay here for the rest of their lives if they so choose because there is no limit on the number of times it can be renewed. SWEET!
5. The bill gives the government only one business day to conduct a background check to determine whether an applicant is a criminal or a terrorist. It is impossible, of course, to determine in a single day whether someone is a terrorist or a criminal. SWEET!
6. In the bill Section 601(g)(2), illegal-alien gang members would be eligible for amnesty merely by signing a “renunciation of gang affiliation.” SWEET!
7. Gang-bangers and other criminals, who have been ordered to leave the United States by an immigration judge but defy the ruling, are called absconders. Section 601(d)(1)(I) permits U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to grant an absconder a Z visa anyway if he can show that being forced to leave the United States “would result in extreme hardship” to the alien, his spouse, parent or child. SWEET!!
8. The bill effectively shuts down our immigration-court system. If an alien in the removal process is eligible for the Z visa, the immigration judge must close the proceedings and offer the alien the chance to apply for the amnesty. SWEET!
9. If ICE officials apprehend an alien who appears eligible for the Z visa (in other words, just about any illegal alien), they can’t detain him. Instead, ICE must help him apply for the Z visa. SWEET!
Rather than initiating removal proceedings, ICE will be initiating amnesty applications. It’s like turning the Drug Enforcement Agency into a needle-distribution network. SWEET!
10. To qualify for the Z-visa amnesty, an illegal alien need only have a job (or be the parent, spouse, or child of someone with a job) and come up with a scrap of paper suggesting he was in the country before Jan. 1 of this year. Any bank statement, pay stub, or similarly forgeable record will do. SWEET!
Goofy!
As well put as I’ve read on this.
And then what happens? Are they rounded up, deported or prosecuted? Hell no, they will join the ranks of the illegal aliens who refuse to get a Z VISA
From what I’ve read the GAO has not run the numbers on the bill, so officially no one knows what it's going to cost. I know he Heritage foundation has done some work on it...and it's not good.
A z-visa holder can bring in wife and children (phony and real ones) under the Z3 and Z2 visas
Interesting and informative article. Thank you.
You don't have to deport them, all you have to do is cut off the gravy train. When illegals find that they cannot get free medical care, free education for their kids, jobs that should be done by legalized Americans for market wages, or a culture that bends over backwards to cater to them (press 2 for Spanish), then most of them will go home.
The status quo is to leave the broken system in place, until we can get leadership that will not deal with the problem in a total sellout mode. I understand your frustration here, but the Ted Kennedy solution to a problem is always worse than the problem.
Show us a system for stepping up enforcement of existing laws, and if it generally functions, we can start talking about assimilating a vast group of people that have shown little interest in adopting the language, customs, and respect for the laws of the society they leech off of.
A thousand dollar fine in order to make the basic crime go away is selling your nation far to cheaply. (We are told that the trip across the border costs 'poor but aspiring' peons three grand and up - a third of that is going to buy them legality?)
The presumption that losing a job and requiring welfare for any period of time would disallow future citizenship ignores the reasons for welfare and unemployment insurance. It also ignores the certain effect of thousands of lawiers making sure that no one was treated 'unfairly' just because you interpret the law in that manner.
As of today, 'merit' aside and laughing off the comment about needing PHd's, this bill is written around the lowest end of the immigrant spectrum. It will serve the Home Depot gangs so long as they file taxes and it will take no time at all for 'minor infractions' to be ignored (if discovered) by the bureaucracy Ms. Jacoby promises will arise from whole cloth and tax dollars.
This piece of ignorance tells you you're dealing with an ivory tower ninny. Nobody comes to work temporarily. Just ask the Germans about all those temporary Turks who came to fill the labor gap, oh about forty years ago. "Guest workers," they called them. Sound familiar?
What a chilling list of amnesty bill provisions. It reads like a blue print for the destruction of the country. It is especially good at making us fight ourselves with our own laws. Those with the superior rights will be the illegals. Those with the obligation to pay and lose their way of life will be the citizen taxpayers. This bill, if enacted, would truly devalue US citizenship.
Yea, I oppose this amnesty bill as well. I do have the feeling it will pass.
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