Senate Set to Slug It Out Over Immigration Bill

Wall Street Journal ^ | June 2, 2007 | Sarah Lueck

[brydic1]

I got this to say. Yes, elections have consequences. When the American voter realized the biggest supporter of illegal immigrants and continuing illegal immigration was the leader of the republican party, i.e., the president, they voted accordingly. He was the reason for the defeat of this party in 2006 and most likely will be for the eventual elimination conservatism as a force in the United States. Americans voters have a hard time separating the voting of their congressman from the position of that congressman’s party leader particularly when the opposition candidates run against the party leader as they did big time not only on the war but on his support of illegal immigration.

I might add the republicans lost particularly in the very states where so many illegals were given amnesty in 1983. To do another amnesty will merely compound that problem for the GOP. California is probably lost to conservative values for many years as more conservative leave the area to the illegals and the Hollywood crowd.

[A Strict Constructionist]

“In South Carolina, agricultural-industry groups ran print ads supporting Sen. Lindsey Graham”

The agricultural interests in SC deserve the drought conditions that they currently have. Maybe it make it harder to contribute money to RINO’s.

[no dems]

“slug it out”...Oh yeah; I can see the little, limp-wrist, sissy, Lindsey Graham puttin’ a cowboy whoopin’ on somebody.

[Molly K.]

...”During a recess last week, many senators’ offices were bombarded with phone calls...”

My senator (Senator Kyl) had the audacity to say that his phone calls were tapering off.
Huh! I wouldn’t wonder! Everytime I tried to call I got the “full mailbox” message.

I guess it’s easy to say that phone calls are tapering off if you won’t accept any phone calls!

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson, one of the negotiators, said about two-thirds of the people from his home state of Georgia who have contacted him are supportive or have misconceptions about the bill that can be cleared up. The rest are strongly opposed and "don't want to talk about it," he said. He said he won't decide whether to vote for the bill until the end of the debate.<<

>>Do you see what they are doing? Everyone knows the opposition to this bill is like 75% against or more. They are focusing on the people who support it and sayint that just a few tweaks is all that is needed to appease the 75% against.<<

And they claim that people who oppose it are ignorant yahoos, some of whom they can "educate" enough to create majority support for the bill (the rest of us are hopeless). I hope they keep insulting and underestimating us. That will only hurt their cause.

[ModelBreaker]

Elections have consequences would a republican house pass this, good job to all that stood home and didnt vote. . .

It's a good thing that silly posts that have no factual support whatsoever have no consequences.

[italianquaker]

your right, we would be out of business

[ducks1944]

Maybe you need to send Him (Senator Kyle) this:
Big News on the Immigration Front From... Pennsylvania!
Red State ^ | May 16, 2007

That’s right, from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. And I would suggest that my senator, Jon Kyl, check this article before he continues his sell-out to Teddy Kennedy. The subject of the story is the mayor of Hazelton, PA who got a local ordinance passed that would penalize landlords who rent to illegal immigrants and businesses that hire them.

By MICHAEL RUBINKAM - Associated Press Writer ALLENTOWN, Pa. — Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta, who gained national prominence by targeting illegal immigrants living in his small northeastern Pennsylvania city, cruised to the Republican nomination for a third term on Tuesday - and unexpectedly won the Democratic nomination, too.

Barletta trounced GOP challenger Dee Deakos with nearly 94 percent of the vote. And he beat former Mayor Michael Marsicano for the Democratic nomination by staging a last-minute write-in campaign, all but guaranteeing himself another term, unofficial returns showed.

That’s right friends. The mayor, who was excoriated by every liberal in the country and is the subject of a lawsuit by Hispanic groups, slaughtered his Republican challenger and won the Dem primary on a last minute write in.

The voter registration in Hazleton is 2-1 Dem.

And the ultimate irony is in the final paragraph...

Also Tuesday, two Hispanic candidates lost their primary bids for two open seats on Hazleton City Council. One of the candidates, Rudy Espinal, is a plaintiff in the illegal immigrant lawsuit.

[KoRn]

"the primary is for that"

I agree. Now is the time for the politicians to state their positions, and the voters can act accordingly. I can't imagine a politician surviving the primary that supports amnesty for illegals.

[Fantasywriter]

My email to my senator:

Dear Senator Isakson: As a constituent who called your office recently, and one who is in touch with many other Georgia constituents, I was insulted by your comment that about two-thirds of the people from GA are either “supportive or have misconceptions about the bill”. We are NOT supportive, and we are not as stupid as you seem to believe. We know very well what is in the bill, and when I hear senators speak about it, it is clear we (1) know a lot more about the bill than you do, or (2) are a hundred times more honest about it than you. Either way, please don’t imagine that our outrage will fade or that our memories are short. That would be your third mistake.

[italianquaker]

exactly!

[LadyPilgrim]

Okay.....

;-)

[claudiustg]

-—Elections have consequences would a republican house pass this, good job to all that stood home and didnt vote, 12 million new Voters thank you-—

Wake up! YOUR Party is not opposing this bill.

[Sender]

The FIRST thing they should do with this "comprehensive" bill is to split it up into meaningful, readable and understandable pieces.

First, there should be a bill to secure the borders, and it should include mandatory funding for the wall and for border enforcement. If that cannot be passed on its own, there is no point in continuing to the rest.

Then, let the debate begin about what to do with the millions of illegals here already. That should tie up our congresscritters for months.

Finally, have a separate bill about any proposed scheme to bring in "guest workers" or family members, etc.

There is NO WAY one bloated, unreadable bill should be voted on to fix all of these problems.

[italianquaker]

Thats my point at least the pre nov 2006 repubs(majority) would of

[claudiustg]

The GOP didn’t really support some of the conservative candidates. Allen in Virginia and Burns in Montana come to mind. Burn’s big ad blitz didn’t really come until the last week. A week earlier would likely have changed the outcome. Where was the money? Where was the WH?

Purged they were.

[kabar]

Personally, I believe this “bill” was merely a show, produced for the benefit of all parties to make it appear as if they are really trying to do something.

Disagree strongly. The Dems want this bill while an accommodating Rep President is still in the WH. They want Rep fingerprints on it. Their main objective is to legalize the status of the 12 to 20 million illegals already here. Once that is done, there is no turning back. They can change the provisions they don't like in subsequent Congresses. The Rep elites want it now because they believe that they can get a better deal for business in this WH. Both sides want to make it appear bipartisan and not amnesty.

The immigration reform group I am a member of, lobbied the Senate the two weeks prior to the recess. It appears that it is a done deal in the Senate. Our only hope is the House. We will be up on the Hill this coming week going to lobby various House representatives. It is 50/50. The House will make some modifications friendly to the labor unions and groups like La Raza. Then they [the Dems] will hammer out the final bill in conference. Whatever comes out of conference will make or break the bill in terms of biparitsan support.

This is far from being "a show." This is going to be very close. The WH will sign anything that comes out of Congress. If the Senate is any indication, I am pessimistic about our chances to stop it.

The politiicans are banking on the short attention span of the American public. By the time November 2008 rolls around, they think that the public will not care anymore and the MSM will be praising this bipartisan measure that finally got the illegals out of the shadows and secured our borders. They believe that they can make it a non-issue in 2008.

If the Reps are smart, they will distance themselves from this deal. You can put all the spin you want on it, but the reality is not going away. The invasion will continue in even greater numbers as the problem continues to metastasize around the country. The public will then have to answer this question: "Whom do you believe, the political elites or your own lyin' eyes?" If this bill passes in its current form, it is game, set, and match. We are finished as a nation.

[Liz]

The bill is already dead...............

Legislators entering Senate chamber to vote on amnesty.

[TommyDale]

"The politicans are banking on the short attention span of the American public. By the time November 2008 rolls around, they think that the public will not care anymore and the MSM will be praising this bipartisan measure that finally got the illegals out of the shadows and secured our borders. They believe that they can make it a non-issue in 2008."

Huge, huge error in judgment. There has never been a more unpopular bill opposed by so many. Voters have longer memories than these idiots think.

[TommyDale]

But again, I said this was my personal viewpoint. I was actually giving them credit for being smart enough to manipulate the public. In reality, they are dumber than a bunch of Georgia rocks.