Posted on 06/30/2007 4:36:50 PM PDT by 1066AD
Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets' By Tim Shipman in Washington, Sunday Telegraph Last Updated: 12:30am BST 01/07/2007
Lee Harvey Oswald could not have acted alone in assassinating President John F Kennedy, according to a new study by Italian weapons experts of the type of rifle Oswald used in the shootings.
The new findings will encourage conspiracy theorists In fresh tests of the Mannlicher-Carcano bolt-action weapon, supervised by the Italian army, it was found to be impossible for even an accomplished marksman to fire the shots quickly enough.
The findings will fuel continuing theories that Oswald was part of a larger conspiracy to murder the 35th American president on 22 November 1963.
The official Warren Commission inquiry into the shooting concluded the following year that Oswald was a lone gunman who fired three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 8.3 seconds.
But when the Italian team test-fired the identical model of gun, they were unable to load and fire three shots in less than 19 seconds - suggesting that a second gunman must have been present in Dealey Plaza, central Dallas, that day.
Two of the bullets hit Kennedy, with the first - the so called "magic bullet", ridiculed by conspiracy theorists - also wounding the governor of Texas, John B Connally, after it had struck the president.
In a further challenge to the official conclusions, the Italian team conducted two other tests at the former Carcano factory in Terni, north of Rome, where the murder weapon was made in 1940.
They fired bullets through two large pieces of meat, in an attempt to simulate the assumed path of the magic bullet. In their test, the bullet was deformed, unlike the first bullet in the Kennedy assassination, which remained largely intact.
The second bullet is thought to have missed its target. According to the commission, the third disintegrated when it hit Kennedy's head. The new research suggests, however, that this is incompatible with the fact that Oswald was only 80 yards away, in a book depository, when he fired. The Italian tests suggest that a bullet fired from that distance would have emerged intact from Kennedy's head, implying that the third shot must instead have come from a more distant location.
The findings will encourage conspiracy theorists who hold that Oswald could not have fired three shots in time. For each shot, he would have had to push up the gun's bolt handle, pull the bolt backwards to eject the spent cartridge case and then forward to slide the next round into the chamber, before turning down the bolt handle to lock it in place.
Nearly seven out of 10 Americans believe that Kennedy was murdered as a result of a plot. Depending on which theory they back, the participants supposedly included any or all of the CIA, the Mafia, the Cubans, the FBI chief J Edgar Hoover, the military-industrial complex and Vice-President Lyndon B Johnson.
It is the second challenge in two months to the view of the Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone. In May, researchers at Texas A&M University argued that the ballistics evidence used to rule out a second gunman had been misinterpreted.
The findings will be a frustration to Vincent Bugliosi, the author of a 1,600-page book, also published in May, which claimed to put to rest all the conspiracy theories of the past 44 years.
The Italian findings will be hotly contested by those who believe that Oswald was a lone gunman - not least because they contradict firing tests previously conducted, using Oswald's actual rifle, by the FBI and the US Marines, and another study by Washington police marksmen using an identical gun.
Oswald would only have needed to reload the weapon twice in the eight seconds to get off all three shots, since the time was measured only from the moment he fired the first shot. The FBI concluded that a marksman could have fired a shot at least every 2.3 seconds.
In his book, Mr Bugliosi details how after just two or three minutes' practice with the gun in 1979, three police marksmen aiming at three targets representing Kennedy at the same distance from Oswald, got away three shots in less than eight seconds.
One marksman hit the targets twice and missed the third shot by an inch. A second shooter scored a "kill" with his second shot.
Mr Bugliosi recounts three separate ballistics tests that found that the magic bullet could have wounded Kennedy and Connally and emerged in similar condition to the real bullet. But that is unlikely to stop the Italian research fuelling another generation of conspiracy writers.
All the other stuff about bullet deformation, etc. is wrong and misleading. Don't take anything from this article as being serious.
As far as the JFK assassination goes, all three shots came from Oswalds rifle. There were no other shots fired.
How could Oswald hit anything with that rifle when the scope was defective?
“Lee Harvey Oswald made sure that his first round was already loaded before he started the clock ticking.”
Also, don’t forget that Oswald was a southpaw. He could have very quickly worked the right-handed bolt while firing with his left.
We would surely want to know if our govt killed a US president in broad daylight. They say we can’t handle a ‘lone gunman’ killing our president, but, it’s much harder to accept the govt doing it.
The govt even agreed previously this was probably a conspiracy.
If one researches what happened, in a Perry Mason type of way, will at the least understand how our govt works internally...
“If anybody actually figures it out does JFK come back to life ???”
I have never understood how the conclusion can be made that there was no conspiracy involved, even if there was one
GUN-man. Others could have been involved...Oswald just pulled the trigger.
M1 Garands.
Service grade $595
Field grade $495
Rack $425
I finally received my little warbaby M1 and it’s really a nice one.
Beyond Conspiracy is a Jennings produced govt mis-information piece. The real History Channel pieces on the JFK Assassination are banned. You might find them on Ebay....
“The History Channel is airing “ The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy” at 5 pm Pacific Time...just a few minutes from now.
If you have never seen this, I highly recommend it.”
Oswald was the lone gunman. The conspiracy theory dissolves with that fact accepted. Please present any evidence to the contrary. My mind is still open on that aspect.
Some of the conspiracies got pretty far out, like they snuck his body out the other side of the plane, took him to another military hospital where they removed his brain, removed the fragments and put it back in. Then they snuck him into the hospital where the “official” autopsy was done.
If the Italian army can’t get the shots off with a bolt action rifle in the allocated time, they need to find a new line of work!!!!
Did anyone check to see if Ted Kennedy was driving?
“Beyond Conspiracy is a Jennings produced govt mis-information piece.”
Can you refute the evidence presented - regardless the source?
HEADS UP: Read this book that the mainstream media didn’t tell you about.
It’s called ‘Regicide’...The Official Assassination of JFK..The only book to name the 20 or so conspirators....The info comes from our own intel...
Sworn testimony DOESN’T NOT COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
The Zapruder film DIDN’T COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
The photos taken from Dealy Plaza DIDN’T COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
Do you check your closet at night for the ghost of J. Edgar?
Ah so, CMP? (Have they started selling the carbines yet?)
I heard Bugliosi on the radio; there was one caller that presented a good argument; some of our minds go rusty on this and there is a lot of this on the web. This topic has long been an interesting one.
The Bugliosi book is 1600+ pages; combined with Fuhrman’s book, maybe there are some good defenses against the conspiracy theories.
As someone pointed out, some theories are batty too; in JFK, at the hospital the guy comes in and leaves the magic bullet on the gurney.
X-out the "could have been" and I agree with that.
Let's see... Gregorio Fires... hands the rifle to Luigi... Luigi cycles the action, fires, and hands the gun to Giuseppi... who cycles the action, fires. 19 seconds. Obvious proof that a team couldn't do it.
It was just on Discovery or similar TV and the 70 year old “dry fired” 3 shots. he DID NOT shot the rifle and more imporatantly he did not hit any target although he was able to click and cycle the bolt in the Warren Commission 3 shot timeframe. Hardly the same as acurately hitting a moving target with every shot with one of the worst rifles ever made.
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