Posted on 07/04/2007 6:15:37 AM PDT by truthkeeper
My husband just read in the WSJ the Silicon Valley will stop 'outsourcing' workers from India because the pay rate has increased 75 percent...(what SV was getting cheaply, has increased steadily)...
..instead, they have invited 1/2 the discontinued workers over here to work in Palo Alto.
Wonder if this is rescinded now?
I don’t trust anyone in Washington, even the President.
Bingo!
Of course, they still expect them to know these facts...it's just up to us to teach them. (And yes...I do.)
We have an abominable public education system here, I agree. But I’m not sure it’s all that great in some of the countries we were accepting these “doctors” and “engineers” from, either. I think their higher education is probably particularly bad. Those who study in their countries of origin do not, from what I have seen, make better skilled employees than Americans. And this is leaving out all the other baggage they bring along with them...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1860276/posts
My own guess is that you are correct.
While this tactic will work well enough with portions of our business community, it isn't going to be effective with the parts of our population who have been directly affected by the labor arbitrage of outsourcing, who will largely appreciate such a slowdown.
Bush’s payback for defeat of the amnesty bill.
Not at all clear to me that with 300 million Americans that we need any more people in our country. Not clear to me we need ANY more immigration. At some point we have to think where this leads, and figure out if we want to be like India or China in terms of population density. This is a case of less is more by my lights. Then I live in a state which has doubled in population in my lifetime. YMMV
Nice characterization of the process - as “arbitrage” that is. I hadn’t thought about it in those terms, and given my education I should have. Well put.
Thank you. Yes, he’s right. The technical education, so to speak, does nothing to change the heart of the person receiving it.
I’ve had the same experience with foreign engineers, especially ones from China. They are good at reproduction of existing work, but few have the creativity of good US engineers. Granted, there are some really bad US engineers, but if I had to make a blind choice about engineers, I would pick the US trained one every time.
I can guarantee you this is terrorism related.
Yeah, I know...silly me.
(BTW, I agree with you.)
Real close, but;
"To apply, immigrants must undergo medical examinations and assemble documents to prove their job skills and show that a United States employer has sponsored them. Foreigners must be in the United States when they present their applications..."
Apparently these people are here already under some other form of permission. Presumably many are students in our universities whose student visas have a shelf life.
I agree that this is an administration ploy and a show of anger. But it isn't keeping anyone out - unless they burn up valuable enforcement assets to deport graduates as soon as their student visa becomes inapplicable.
While I'd expected them to make sure we were shown that current 'unreformed' means were inadequate, I hadn't thought of screwing up the legitimate immigration process as well.
This should not only grab headlines, give 'em an "I told you so" opportunity, hack off a lot of skilled people [and potential employers], and soak up bureaucratic hours and enforcement assets, it will reverberate down the system for a long time to come.
Agree with you 100%. The dirty little secret is that upper management does not want American engineers - Americans are more independent-minded, not as docile, and they do expect higher salaries. With H1B Visa people, the employer feels he has them over a barrel. Of course there are higher hidden costs, in terms of time spent in communicating, correcting errors due to communication problems, and dissatisfaction of users who have to communicate with the technical people, but these costs do not show up on the balance sheet as obviously as the cost of salaries and other employee benefits.
I never would have dreamed that I'd earn as much money as I do right now in the engineering field -- and this is coming from someone who was not even an average student in engineering school. Fortunately for me (and unfortunately for everyone else), engineering schools today simply aren't graduating enough American students with well-rounded skills, command of the English language, etc.
Unfortunately for me, I'm going to end up leaving this field entirely at some point in the future, because the sheer economics of it is that I'll be completely priced out of the the market by clients who simply cannot afford to pay my rate for my services.
As I see it, there are only two courses of action to be taken here . . . improve the U.S. schools, or import our workers from elsewhere. And we'd still have to import workers from elsewhere even if we improved our schools tomorrow -- since it would take at least a decade for a revamped education system to have any real effect.
You're not kidding. ESPECIALLY customer service reps.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I think this has alot to do with the YouTube video of a Corporate Law firm giving advice to high tech employers on how to avoid hiring qualified americans at higher wages but not acually break the law, only breaking the spirit of the law.
I do believe in free enterprise, but when you see crap like that it makes you wonder what happened to american corporate resposibility. Greed and the bottom line has become the overiding factor in the global economy.
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Cheers!
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