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The case for mistrusting Muslims
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dalrymple8jul08,0,5502943.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail ^ | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 07/08/2007 2:53:43 AM PDT by ventanax5

ARRIVING IN BRITAIN by air the day after two men crashed a gasoline-laden Jeep Cherokee into the main terminal at Glasgow's international airport, and a couple of days after two car bombs were discovered in the heart of London, I was surprised by how calm everybody was.

Apart from the prohibition of passenger drop-off and pickup next to the terminal building at Birmingham Airport, everything was as usual. Men and women in Muslim garb mingled in the crowd with perfect tranquillity, expecting neither violence nor even verbal reproach.

Was this a sign of the admirable tolerance of British society, or of its bovine complacency born of an inability, or unwillingness, to make the effort to defend itself? Was it decency, cowardice or stupidity?

I really don't know anymore, which is an indication of the problem: Only time will tell, and by then it might be too late.

A friend who met me at the airport said something that must by now be true of many ordinary British people. Just as we used to wonder, on meeting Germans of a certain age, what they had done during World War II, so she wondered, when she found herself next to a young Muslim on a bus or a train, what he thought of the various bombings perpetrated by his co-religionists and whether he might be a bomber. She found herself looking for the nearest exit, as we are all enjoined to do by flight attendants before the plane takes off, in case of the need for swift exit.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dalrymple; educatedmurderers; enemywithin; infiltration; islam; muhammadsminions; muslimdoctors; muslimprofessionals; taquiyya; theodoredalrymple; waronislamism
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To: Gorzaloon
I have had young resident doctors tell me in no uncertain terms that they are superior to American doctors in not only training but Intelligence.

I was rather dumbfound the first time a you doctor said this but by the fourth or fifth time it became common place.

My friends and I have a personal joke about some of the Doctors coming to America from terrorists countries performing operations and actually doing things to endanger the patients life.

In one Texas town as I write there is an open war between American and Foreign doctors over the foreign doctors stealing patients.

It works this way.

The American doctor sends a long time patient to say an Indian Internist doctor for a certain problem and expects the Indian doctor Internist to write a diagnosis and send the patient back.

However, what is happening is that the Indian doctor sends the patient to another Indian doctor and the patient never comes back to the American doctor.

This has created a very big problem in some towns that i know of.

Indians are known for becoming directors of residency programs in hospitals and then brining in a dispassionate amount of Indians to other countries who apply.

The problem is that many Indians refuse to learn Spanish so that they can communicate with a majority of their kalifornia patients.

Especially in Kalifornia.

Arnold probably does not know about this because no one in government seems to give a damn whether or not doctors can communicate with their patients.

Intern residents from some countries are so very arrogant about having to learn English much less Spanish.

Flame away all you damn political correct kiss ass medical types who disagree.

21 posted on 07/08/2007 4:49:47 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Ronin

You are right. If some (most) Leftwing elitists were about to be beheaded by Jihadists, they would still curse Conservatives with their last breath for having “caused” their situation.


22 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:07 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Ronin
>>..there are still enough people who would be unwilling to take action against them because it would upset their whole multicultural, humanist, liberal, anticapitalist applecart.<<

The Circuit City clerk who first viewed the jihadi tape of the Fort Dix Six practicing for an attack on the Army base waited 24 hrs. before he called the cops. He went home and discussed it with his family. He said that he did not want to “appear” racist. That is just as chilling as what those monsters were planning to do, if it had been WWII, he would have dashed out into the streets to raise the alarm.
Multiculturalism is a stealth weapon. Islam is a religion of peace, guns are bad, America is always wrong, etc.

23 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:11 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: ventanax5

The case for mistrusting Muslims

The five pillars of Islam..... murder, bestiality, terrorism, cowardice and abuse of women and children.

Know islam, no peace; No islam, know peace!
If the Arabs put down their guns, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their guns, there would be no more Israel.

The Pope was correct in his quote....”Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” -Manuel II Paleologus


24 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:51 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: ventanax5

“And the plain fact of the matter is that British society could get by perfectly well without the contribution even of moderate Muslims.” Let’s expand this to ANY society. Dalrymple is one of the few Brits who’s got it right.


25 posted on 07/08/2007 4:59:33 AM PDT by libbybelle (coffee is for closers)
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To: ventanax5
He sums it up in the last couple of paragraphs:

"The problem causes deep philosophical discomfort to everyone who believes in a tolerant society. On the one hand we believe that every individual should be judged on his merits, while, on the other, we know it would be absurd and dangerous to pretend that the threat of terrorism comes from sections of the population equally."

"History is full of the most terrible examples of what happens when governments and peoples ascribe undesirable traits to minorities, and no decent person would wish to participate in the crimes to which this ascription can give rise; yet it would also be folly to ignore sociological reality."

There is a slight difference between rounding up Japanese and putting them into internment camps as we did in WWII and being less tolerant and more proactive against radical Islamists types. No one is born a muslim. Islam is a corrosive belief system that isn't compatible with free society. Can a society that embraces freedom of belief tolerate beliefs that are a threat to that society? What do we do with the people and things that are a threat to us? In general, if we can't stay away from them, we kill them or lock them up.

26 posted on 07/08/2007 4:59:37 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: nyyankeefan
How can we even trust converted Muslims? It is just another way to infiltrate. My concern is Barrack Saddam Obama really a Christian or is this just a sleeper cell? Remember when all said he will be the VP and Hitlary ( the anti Christ )for president. Sorry if it sounds extreme, thats just the way I see it.
27 posted on 07/08/2007 5:19:56 AM PDT by logcabinman
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To: Ronin
We shall put them into internment camps... right along side of their muzzie brethren!

LLS

28 posted on 07/08/2007 5:42:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: ventanax5
The problem causes deep philosophical discomfort to everyone who believes in a tolerant society.

Tolerant of what?

There are many anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-life, collectives in any country. Any and all of them are disgusting. The greatest one in the history of civilization, is particularly disgusting.

29 posted on 07/08/2007 5:52:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: WildcatClan

just as we have ecconomic interest who wanted cheep labor, we also have ecconomic interests who want unrestricted student immigration (because foreign students pay cash and full price at public universities)

I think the immigration reform was an effort to push the parties back to the 1950 of one pole (party) for the rich and successful and the other pole (party) for the poor working class.

Elitist social engineering.

Parties based on principles and ideas do not work for elitist politicians whose only priority is staying in office.


30 posted on 07/08/2007 6:07:39 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

(sarcasm on)

WHAT! didn’t you watch CNN with Christina Ananapour tell us the revisionist version of the Quran? It is all peace and coexistance. Islam’s violent facts are just a silly misunderstanding. It has to be so because CNN said so.

(/sarcasm off)


31 posted on 07/08/2007 6:14:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Don’t be silly, our government is scared sh**less of muslims and can’t wait to kiss their a**es at every opportunity, hoping the crocodile will eat them last.

When a muslim finally manages to nuke NYC, our government’s only response will be to place a cordon of police around every mosque, to guard them from attacks by “intolerant rednecks.”


32 posted on 07/08/2007 7:10:08 AM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: ventanax5

The bottom line is that not all Muslims may be terrorists, but to date, ALL terrorists have been MUSLIMS!

Let the politically correct deny that “inconvenient truth”.


33 posted on 07/08/2007 7:11:24 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Pete98
When a muslim finally manages to nuke NYC, our government’s only response will be to place a cordon of police around every mosque, to guard them from attacks by “intolerant rednecks.”

In that case, put your money on the 'intolerant rednecks' to clean the clocks in every mosque in America once and for all.
34 posted on 07/08/2007 7:12:38 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: logcabinman
My concern is Barrack Saddam Obama really a Christian or is this just a sleeper cell?

If he's really a Christian, he'd take back his given name and renounce his Islamic identity. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

35 posted on 07/08/2007 7:13:42 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: ventanax5

Theodor Dalrymple is horrified by his own prejudice against Muslims, admitting it is a perfectly rationale response. I think this is the first important step for the British. Eventually, they must stop all Muslim immigrants and begin expelling the ones they have. Otherwise, they are going to lose their country or keep it a live in constant fear of terror.


36 posted on 07/08/2007 7:17:09 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ventanax5

Theodore Dalrymple knows a thing or two about Islamic criminality.
IIRC, he’s had plenty of interaction/examinations of Islamics that
are have “interactions” with the British legal system.

I’ve heard him on The Dennis Prager (radio) Show and he’s one of the
Brits that has no PC delusions about the Isalmic threat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple


37 posted on 07/08/2007 7:18:02 AM PDT by VOA
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To: ventanax5

“Just as we used to wonder, on meeting Germans of a certain age, what
they had done during World War II, so she wondered, when she found
herself next to a young Muslim on a bus or a train, what he thought
of the various bombings perpetrated by his co-religionists and whether
he might be a bomber. “

I guess I’m as cynical.
During my grad school years, I’d occassionally wonder what amount of
corruption had gotten some of my fellow graduate students from their
hell-hole home country to a nice classroom in the USA.


38 posted on 07/08/2007 7:20:17 AM PDT by VOA
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To: PGalt
... Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them
39 posted on 07/08/2007 7:47:02 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: OKIEDOC

This is a pet peeve of mine. Sick people should not have to deal with foreign docs they cannot understand. Also, lots of qualified Americans would love to be docs. So, build the med schools and train enough American docs.


40 posted on 07/08/2007 8:13:34 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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