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Republican rebellion worsens against Iraq [Lamar Alexander & Judd Gregg]
FT ^ | July 8 2007

Posted on 07/08/2007 12:59:06 PM PDT by bnelson44

The Republican rebellion against the war in Iraq widened over the weekend as more of the party’s senators voiced dissent against President George W. Bush’s strategy.

Republican unity on Iraq has shattered in recent weeks, amid mounting pessimism about the ability of US forces to bring stability to the country.

Weakening Republican support for the war has left Mr Bush looking increasingly isolated as Congressional Democrats prepare for a fresh barrage of votes aimed at forcing a US withdrawal from Iraq.

Three Republican senators have joined the calls for a change of course in Iraq in recent days, adding to a steady trickle of defections.

“It should be clear to the president that there needs to be a new strategy,” Lamar Alexander, Republican senator for Tennessee, told the Los Angeles Times on Saturday.

Speaking to the same newspaper, Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire said efforts to quell the violence in Iraq by increasing US troop numbers “don’t seem to be making a lot of progress”.

In common with most Republicans, Mr Alexander and Mr Gregg stopped short of backing Democratic calls for legislation to force an immediate withdrawal. But Mr Gregg said it was vital to have “a clear blueprint” aimed at reducing troop numbers.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: New Hampshire; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 110th; alexander; dhimmis; gregg; handwringers; iraq; rinos
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To: MHGinTN; 007girl; bert; girlangler; BamaAndy; 82nd Paratrooper; ABC123; Alabama_Wild_Man; ALACA; ...
ping

Lamar! is at it again

21 posted on 07/08/2007 1:13:22 PM PDT by don-o (End Freepathons forever. Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor)
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To: sgtbono2002

sgtbono2002, meet Michael Yon:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/07/kiki-munshi-mee.html


22 posted on 07/08/2007 1:14:15 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: sgtbono2002
Oh Yeah its doing just great.

Yeah, it's really sad how Al Qaida owns Anbar Province...oh wait...

23 posted on 07/08/2007 1:17:58 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Capitalize on victory--push the fence now!)
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To: bnelson44

Some of these rather hyper individuals are quick to call for “new strategy”, but are remarkably short on making some sort of declaration of just what the “new strategy” should be.

Either stay in and get the job done, or cut and run. If these “armchair gernerals” are so all-fired good at creating and conducting a better strategy, then by all means, let us hear what that strategy is.

All the competent staff officers with potential to become the good or even great generals today, skipped out and took retirement during the decade of the ‘90’s. Bush inherited a hollow shell of a military establishment in 2001, in which the positions were filled, but with officers of little or no combat experience, and with only the shakiest of resumes. But they had survived the “screening” process to bring them up to “politically correct” standards.

People cursed and blamed Donald Rumsfeld for seeming to not be able to get a handle on the problem in the early days after 9/11, but as Rumsfeld remarked at the time, you never go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have. It took a long time to ramp up the readiness of the military to the state that they only now can perform the way that was so desperately needed in 2002 and 2003. And even now, they are forced to go into battle with one arm tied behind their backs, to satisfy all the criticism, just and unjust, that gets hurled their way.


24 posted on 07/08/2007 1:18:33 PM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: don-o

One of these days, that fence he keeps trying to perch upon is going to impale him like he deserves.


25 posted on 07/08/2007 1:20:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: Westbrook
I'm from NH, and am sort of in agreement with Gregg on this.

We never should have put a single soldier on the ground in the Middle East post 9-11.

We should have instead at random picked two Muslim cities and killed every living thing in them by whatever means we chose, be it carpet bombing or nukes.

The we could have warned the goons, hit us again, and we take out millions more of you.

This is the only way that will work with these "religious" animals.

Sorry for insulting all animals, these muslim turds are beneath them.

26 posted on 07/08/2007 1:21:31 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Texas Songwriter
That's about the way I see it, Tex. And, I'll look to the troops on the ground to tell me whether the mission is accomplishing objectives. I believe it is.

I am coming back to what I figured was our best option from the get go. That is a 3 way split.

27 posted on 07/08/2007 1:23:32 PM PDT by don-o (End Freepathons forever. Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor)
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To: Westbrook

Thats because the Clintons have the FBI files to blackmail them if they show the slightest sign of breaking ranks. The DNC is like the CCCP in that regard. Fear is a powerful weapon.


28 posted on 07/08/2007 1:24:34 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: Tennessee Nana

ping


29 posted on 07/08/2007 1:24:51 PM PDT by don-o (End Freepathons forever. Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor)
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To: MNJohnnie
All the Senators are doing is telling Bush to defecate or get off the pot on Iraq. They're not going to withhold troop funds, nor are they calling for an immediate pullout. They just want a better strategy which won't lead to a long-term committment.

Calling them traitors or cut-and-runners is disingenous. I know you like to live in your little FR bubble where you can beat your chest all day long, but there are folks out in the real world who are letting these Senators hear it, and they have a right to do so just like we did when we stopped the amnesty immigration bill.

30 posted on 07/08/2007 1:24:55 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: bnelson44; All

“It should be clear to the president that there needs to be a new strategy,”

A new strategy was just implemented a couple of weeks ago, hold your horses opinion poll chaser.


31 posted on 07/08/2007 1:25:08 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Just like against terrorism, in politics you can't be on the defensive all the time!!!!)
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To: Texas Songwriter
If we leave there will hundreds of thousands killed.

They're being killed now, albeit at a slower pace than if we weren't there at all. Please tell me how long would we have to remain there to kill an inexhaustible supply of terrorists that regenerate like the ghosts from the Gauntlet video game.

It's obvious that Iraq can't handle democracy. I say secure our borders, deport radical Muslims in our country, and put Iran and other terrorist states/nations on notice that they'll be a smoking hole in the ground if they dare try anything funny. Bush has refused to take off the gloves and he let the MSM/Dims dictate the war strategy.

32 posted on 07/08/2007 1:31:33 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: bnelson44; sgtbono2002
sgtbono2002, meet Michael Yon

And that, mes ami, is why you never, ever believe ANYTHING that the MSM says about this war. "The surge isn't working" would be MSM lie #1...not chronologically, but you get my point.

33 posted on 07/08/2007 1:33:23 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Capitalize on victory--push the fence now!)
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To: Mogger

Yeah, great plan. Are you for machine gunning muslims here in the U.S.?


34 posted on 07/08/2007 1:35:21 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Capitalize on victory--push the fence now!)
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To: bnelson44

Well, what the hell. The surge has barely been fully implemented, and these jackballs are already giving in.

I am damn sick and tired of spineless weasels in my party.


35 posted on 07/08/2007 1:36:43 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: don-o
Didn’t they agree to hold fire until a date certain when Patreus (sp) is to report?

Never expect honor from a U.S. Senator.

36 posted on 07/08/2007 1:37:03 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Capitalize on victory--push the fence now!)
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To: Mogger

> I’m from NH, and am sort of in agreement with Gregg on
> this.
>
> We never should have put a single soldier on the ground
> in the Middle East post 9-11.
>
> We should have instead at random picked two Muslim cities
> and killed every living thing in them by whatever means
> we chose, be it carpet bombing or nukes.
>
> Then we could have warned the goons, hit us again, and we
> take out millions more of you.

I’m from NH, too, and I’m with you 100%.

I didn’t think putting boots on the ground in Iraq was a good idea in the first place.

But now that we have American soldiers in harm’s way, we need to do EVERYTHING we can to support their mission to pacify that steaming dog pile.

The change in strategy that’s needed is to untie the hands of the American soldiers and start the bombing of Iranian military installations and positions along the Iraqui border.

Every Iranian military installation should be shelled to powder.

Every Iraqui “insurgent” should be treated the same as the Nazi “insurgents” were in the first five years after the “end” of WWII.

Summarily executed on the spot.


37 posted on 07/08/2007 1:38:24 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: George W. Bush
The GOP should reconsider boots on the ground. Boots on the ground requires overwhelming force to defeat, disarm, occupy and control the enemy [ala WW II]. For whatever reason, we did not muster enough troops to do that. Either do it now, or reconsider the strategy. Without overwhelming force slogging it out on mined roads, surrounded by snipers, is bleeding the troops.
38 posted on 07/08/2007 1:39:33 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Maelstorm
The question we have to ask ourselves. Are we going to stand by and have our soldiers and our country drug down to defeat and leave Iraq knowing Al Qaeda and Iranian agents (not much difference between the two) are operating in the country and is receiving weapons from Iran.

That's the question. Too many here at FR are answering it like this:

"BUG OUT!"

39 posted on 07/08/2007 1:40:57 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Capitalize on victory--push the fence now!)
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To: SteveMcKing
Speaking to the same newspaper, Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire said efforts to quell the violence in Iraq by increasing US troop numbers “don’t seem to be making a lot of progress”.

Friggen moron. More troops engaging the enemy more often and in greater numbers = more "violence"

VOTE THESE SCHMUCKS OUT IN '08!

40 posted on 07/08/2007 1:42:35 PM PDT by KenHorse
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