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Second Coming of Lend Lease
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Posted on 07/13/2007 9:29:02 PM PDT by Rembrandt

The U.S. was a late and reluctant entrant into WWII. As FDR measured the plight of Europe and recognized its best hope, he came up with a plan to re-inforce Britain's armaments without directly involving the U.S. That was the Lend Lease Program, a barely disguised funneling of military weaponry from one country to another, sort of like what is happening between Iran and Syria as the U.S. stands with Iraq against the insurgent forces.

The U.S. can now go for the head of the snake by establishing a new Lend Lease Program that would involve the U.S. lending one, maybe two, USN carriers and some a/c to Israel. They are already positioned strategically next to Iran and Syria isn't far away.

Such a plan could pay rather quick dividends, especially if the U.S. made clear that all decisions are Israel's to make and carry out.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: iran; israel; wot

1 posted on 07/13/2007 9:29:03 PM PDT by Rembrandt
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To: Rembrandt
Please. Carriers are specialized ships requiring crews with specialized training.

The air groups on a carrier require specialized training to take off and land on the carrier.

The Israelis have no crews to man the ships and while the Israelis may have pilots capable of learning to take off and land on a flight deck, they do not possess that expertise today. The training issues would probably take close to 10 years to fix if they started right now. And that assumes Israel could divert sufficient qualified personnel from the rest of their armed forces.

And just running down the Stars and Stripes on a few carriers and running up the Israeli Naval Ensign, and painting Israeli stars on some Navy planes, while American sailors and aviators continue to actually man the carriers and the planes, will fool no one.

2 posted on 07/13/2007 9:52:27 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Occam's razor. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but 99%+ is not too shabby.)
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To: Rembrandt

Nice idea in theory, but it would take Israel a couple of years to learn how to operate such a complicated platform in a tight and hostile environment such as the Gulf.

Israel has a great Air Force and good Army, but Super Carrier operations are something unique to the great-old USA.

We should definitely give them all the precision guided weapons and bunker busters they want.

Any attack on Iran should be a joint U.S/Israel operation. It would be nice if at least England was involved as well. The best chance for success will be to hit hundreds of targets in two nights.


3 posted on 07/13/2007 9:56:26 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: Cheburashka

Ten years eh? Well, whatever time it normally takes, I bet israel could do it in half.

But I don’t really think israel needs aircraft carriers right away. They could get by with cruise missles and drone planes on naval vessels for now.

But by all means, start the carrier training today.


4 posted on 07/13/2007 10:10:05 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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To: Rembrandt

A lend-lease of two B-2’s would be more than sufficient given Israel’s nuclear arsenal, and would also be completely deniable for the U.S.. I would be amazed if Israel wasn’t already in possession our decommissioned F-117’s.


5 posted on 07/13/2007 10:27:00 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
10 Years my foot it only took us 5 years from the Langley to the Essex Class.
But on a better note lend-lease to Israel
2 each B2s
5 F117s
1 abandoned Air base in eastern Iraqi
2 KC-10s
Then get out of the way except for USAF Mechs to fix problems on B-2s and 117s.
Enough fuel for 8 missions and watch the fun
Love it when a plan comes together so nicely!!!!!!!!!!
Eat that one Pelosi ,Kerry,Kennedy and RHINO Spector.
6 posted on 07/13/2007 11:16:48 PM PDT by straps (Give then)
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To: straps

adding to your shopping list, throw in a few MOABs and the planes to carry them over the Becca valley to keep the Syrians busy and I think we can sit back and watch for a couple of days.


7 posted on 07/14/2007 12:07:45 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: Rembrandt
This is all quite silly.

Why would the U.S. even bother with a "lend-lease" program? We did it before World War II because we felt a need to maintain some sort of official stance of "neutrality," but that hasn't been the case in decades.

The U.S. is on the ground in Iraq right now, and has been propping up Israel for years. So what do we gain by lending them military equipment that we're already using over there?

8 posted on 07/14/2007 3:45:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: mamelukesabre
For the record please let me know the three Israeli Army brigades that are superfluous and can be disbanded to free up personnel for navy training. Supposedly they have a war coming this Summer, I’m surprised they have infantry brigades they don’t need.

To be clear I’m saying no chance any of this will ever happen. Because the Israelis aren't that stupid.

Well, maybe Olmert is. But the idea of actually attacking Iranian nuclear sites would probably cause him to try to suck both thumbs simultaneously. Which points out another flaw in this whole scenario.

9 posted on 07/14/2007 5:47:26 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Occam's razor. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but 99%+ is not too shabby.)
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To: Rembrandt
uh .. you just don't 'lease' a Carrier. A Carrier is part of a Battle Group. Consider it a modern day Battleship, surrounded by numerous support ships.

Not to mention that your proposal - even if feasible - would result in mass rioting in the USA. 'Ally' or not the US ain't gonna get in a Nuclear, or world wide war with every Muslim alive over Israel.

In addition, I put 'ally' in quotes, as allies DON'T spy on each other nor sell 'secret' electronic technology to the suppliers 'antagonist', like Israel did with China. Which is exactly why there are US sanctions on Israel at this time.

The fact is, Israel is on it's own with it's Muslim problem when it comes to war.

10 posted on 07/14/2007 6:45:57 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Rembrandt

How about letting Taiwanese commandos “steal” a few nukes? That would raise the ante against any shooting war in that part of the world.


11 posted on 07/14/2007 8:48:42 AM PDT by darth
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To: Condor51

C51,

Were you asleep during the Klintoon years?


12 posted on 07/14/2007 7:43:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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