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Senate to interrogate border agents' prosecutor[U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton](Ramos-Compean)
The Washington Times ^ | 17 July 2007 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/17/2007 5:37:55 AM PDT by BGHater

A Senate hearing today into the convictions of two U.S. Border Patrol agents who shot a fleeing drug-smuggling suspect is expected to spark heated debate as the U.S. attorney who brought the charges defends the prosecutions.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton will tell the Senate Judiciary Committee that a jury in Texas heard all the evidence against agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean in their shooting of Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila and ruled it was not justified.

"This case is not about illegal immigration but the rule of law," said Mr. Sutton. "After a 2½-week jury trial, these former agents were convicted of shooting at and seriously wounding an unarmed, fleeing suspect who posed no threat to them."

Another witness, T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Counsel (NBPC) who has angrily denounced the prosecution, will challenge the government's case, saying there were only three witnesses to the incident and prosecutors believed Mr. Aldrete-Davila over the two agents.

"The only way to conclude that Agents Ramos and Compean should have been prosecuted is if the word of the known drug smuggler is given more credence than the sworn statements of two law-enforcement officers," said Mr. Bonner, whose union represents all 11,000 of the agency's nonsupervisory personnel.

The committee also will hear from Border Patrol Chief David V. Aguilar, Border Patrol Deputy Chief Luis Barker and Ramos' appellate counsel, David L. Botsford.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat and chairman of the Judiciary subcommittee on terrorism, technology and homeland security, first raised questions about the prosecutions in February. Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont Democrat, has ruled she will preside over the hearing.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; compean; immigrantlist; ramos; senate; sutton; suttonsucks; traitorsutton
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1 posted on 07/17/2007 5:37:57 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

This is Bush’s greatest shame.

I can’t believe he refuses to do the right thing and pardon these to agents.


2 posted on 07/17/2007 5:39:58 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: BGHater

This is Bush’s greatest shame.

I can’t believe he refuses to do the right thing and pardon these two agents.


3 posted on 07/17/2007 5:40:23 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

These guys don’t deserve a pardon, maybe a commutation, but not a pardon.


4 posted on 07/17/2007 5:43:07 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: samtheman

Bush is a puppet of the Mexican government. Give up on him.


5 posted on 07/17/2007 5:44:27 AM PDT by kidao35
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To: Perdogg

Ok, I’ll bite. Why not?


6 posted on 07/17/2007 5:45:35 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Perdogg
If only for the political benefit Bush should commute their sentence. If Feinstein and Co. get in front of the GOP on this it will be trouble. This could do wonders for Bush and the GOP in general. I can’t believe the major GOP players are too blind to see this.
7 posted on 07/17/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: samtheman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1863953/posts?page=114#109

It’s all in this thread.


8 posted on 07/17/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: BGHater

This prosecuter is akin to the Duke case prosecuter and should suffer the same fate.


9 posted on 07/17/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A AND the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief.)
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To: normy

Well, Borders Guards are not above the law. They committed a crime, and tried to cover it up, lied, and then refused a deal.


10 posted on 07/17/2007 5:48:20 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: BGHater
I'm not happy with this prosecutor, but one also has to look at the jury that convicted them.

I would be interested to know more about them and why they believed an illegal immigrant drug smuggler over our border agents.

11 posted on 07/17/2007 5:49:20 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: BGHater
This prosecutor needs an attitude adjustment. Twenty years in prison, for abuse of his office would be my recommendation. If congress allows this low-life to walk without punishment, then congress deserves the same fate. Twenty years for abuse of office.
12 posted on 07/17/2007 5:49:42 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: Perdogg
ok, i'm going to read the whole thread later today

but right now i'm going to throw this back at you, from sioux-san, from that same thread, a question he asks someone else...

can you answer it?

I am just saying that Sutton had a choice and he went for charges way out of proportion to the crime — do you agree with that? What am I missing?

13 posted on 07/17/2007 5:50:30 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Perdogg

I spoke to a retired BP agent with almost 40 years service about this case. He said they should have been fired but not tried for a crime. According to him, once a weapon is fired, it becomes a crime scene. They picked up the spent shells and tried to cover up what happened. That was their mistake, not the shooting itself.


14 posted on 07/17/2007 5:50:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Perdogg; samtheman; P-Marlowe

Not a commutation or a pardon because those both imply they’re being forgiven for something they did wrong.

They should be released immediately because of false prosecution....whatever the fancy word is for such a thing, I don’t know.


15 posted on 07/17/2007 5:52:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: TexasCajun
I'm not happy with this prosecutor, but one also has to look at the jury that convicted them. I would be interested to know more about them and why they believed an illegal immigrant drug smuggler over our border agents.
Juries do get it wrong. Sutton did have the power of the presidency behind him. I'm not sure if or how that power actually manifested, but it was definitely there. Maybe it was a subtle check on the judge during the trial, making rulings favorable to the prosecutor. I don't know. I wasn't there. But the hand of The President was definitely in this prosecution and it quite possibly had its intended effect.
16 posted on 07/17/2007 5:53:20 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: kabar
Yes. Had they shot him and came clean about it, I would be against any prosecution in the case.
17 posted on 07/17/2007 5:54:29 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: Perdogg

Refusing a deal is more often a good sign that they are not guility as charged. The coverup seems to be from the Bush Administration’s Hispanic Border Patrol Chief and the Hispanic Attorney General. The fact that they are accepting the word of a drug smuggling illegal border invader over their own law enforcement officers is a travesty.


18 posted on 07/17/2007 5:54:36 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: stopem
This prosecuter is akin to the Duke case prosecuter and should suffer the same fate.
Exactly. These two Border Patrol agents were Nifonged.
19 posted on 07/17/2007 5:55:08 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Perdogg
I've discussed this with you before and I know your view on it, but Libby also committed a crime and the V.P.'s aides are also not above the law. The punishment doesn't fit the crime and I will go back to what I have told you before, cops kill innocent people in the line of duty all the time. It happens in the heat of the moment and rarely do they get 11 years hard time. Most of the time they are exonerated. This sentence smacks of intimidation.

That is not my point however. As a purely political move, I can't understand how Bush can let the Dems get out in front of him on this. Commuting these guys sentence would put him back in the good graces of the base and probably improve his standing among the voting Hispanic population.

20 posted on 07/17/2007 5:56:15 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: BGHater
"This case is not about illegal immigration but the rule of law," said Mr. Sutton.


21 posted on 07/17/2007 5:57:38 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: BGHater; kabar

Will this be ‘live’ on C-span for the viewing public?


22 posted on 07/17/2007 5:57:44 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: TexasCajun

I agree....what about the JURY? I would never want to go in front of a jury these days.


23 posted on 07/17/2007 5:58:26 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary in '08.....Her PHONINESS is GENUINE !!!!)
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To: kabar
They picked up the spent shells and tried to cover up what happened. That was their mistake, not the shooting itself.

That's called "consciousness of guilt." They should rot in prison - cops can't shoot people in the back if they pose no threat to them.

If this were in rural Midwestern America, and the person shot an American citizen, we'd all be up in arms about jackbooted-thugs. But because the victim was an illegal alien, we want him shot like a dog?

24 posted on 07/17/2007 5:59:29 AM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster; dennisw
"The only way to conclude that Agents Ramos and Compean should have been prosecuted is if the word of the known drug smuggler is given more credence than the sworn statements of two law-enforcement officers," said Mr. Bonner

How does Traitor Sutton sleep at night?

He must want that federal judgeship really bad, to sell out these agents, and his country.

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

25 posted on 07/17/2007 6:00:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: kabar

He said they should have been fired but not tried for a crime. According to him, once a weapon is fired, it becomes a crime scene.


Well was it a crime or not?....... Now which crime[s] you prosecute can be adjusted. Remember they were convicted on several counts each, not just one.


26 posted on 07/17/2007 6:00:38 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: normy

I would not have a problem with commutation. But these guys are neither saints nor heroes.


27 posted on 07/17/2007 6:01:21 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: Guenevere; All
I can't find the hearing listed on the C-Span page at all. C-Span2 is currently showing a Veteran's Mental Health program.

Does anyone know if this is supposed to be televised, and if so, when? I thought I heard before that it would be broadcast.

28 posted on 07/17/2007 6:01:30 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid./LOUD and PROUD!)
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To: Condor51

Mr Sutton is correct.


29 posted on 07/17/2007 6:01:51 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney for President 2008)
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To: Perdogg

Nor are they bad guys. Its not like they raped the suspect with a plunger.


30 posted on 07/17/2007 6:02:19 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Perdogg

They should never have been prosecuted, just fired. That was the opinion of the former BP agent who also wants them released from prison immediately. Their prosecution has demoralized and outraged many current BP agents.


31 posted on 07/17/2007 6:02:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: samtheman
“This is Bush’s greatest shame.
I can’t believe he refuses to do the right thing and pardon these to agents.”

Bush’s greatest shame is that he often lets his pride get in the way of doing the right thing. That man is nothing if not among the most bull-headed people on earth.

32 posted on 07/17/2007 6:03:22 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Perdogg

How does a Drug Smuggler’s mother have the home phone number of a Border Patrol Agent’s mother and why does he return the phone call to his house?


33 posted on 07/17/2007 6:03:27 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: samtheman
"Juries do get it wrong"

Read the trial transcripts.

34 posted on 07/17/2007 6:03:43 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: BGHater

It’s about time.


35 posted on 07/17/2007 6:04:37 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Perdogg
**** Mr Sutton is correct. ****

'mr' Sutton is a power hungry assh*le.

36 posted on 07/17/2007 6:05:12 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Perdogg

They didn’t know they hit him because he escaped to Mexico in a waiting van.


37 posted on 07/17/2007 6:05:14 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: vetsvette

there’s nothing wrong with being bull-headed, when you’re right

he’s bull-headed on Iraq, and he’s right

it’s his inability to see right from wrong on anything to do with borders that’s so maddening about our President

not just our border, but Iraq’s borders too

Bush doesn’t do borders, and these agents are suffering for that lack


38 posted on 07/17/2007 6:05:31 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: deport
Well was it a crime or not?....... Now which crime[s] you prosecute can be adjusted. Remember they were convicted on several counts each, not just one.

Again, I am basing my response on the opinion of a former BP agent with almost 40 years service. He said that there are SOPs that require them to report any discharge of their weapon and not pick up shell casings, etc. Once a weapon is discharged it becomes a possible crime scene. I left out the word possible last time.

Like the Libby case, there might not have been any crime, but it was the cover-up that was prosecuted. The real question is should they have been prosecuted for a crime or just dismissed for administrative reasons.

39 posted on 07/17/2007 6:08:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: samtheman

I hope they don’t just focus on these two guys but all LE this guy has charged with crimes.


40 posted on 07/17/2007 6:09:07 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: BGHater

Who all is on this committee now?


41 posted on 07/17/2007 6:10:25 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: truthkeeper
Thanks!..I thought I heard it was to be telecast, as well.

If you hear something, please let me know.

42 posted on 07/17/2007 6:11:33 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: CindyDawg

good point


43 posted on 07/17/2007 6:11:49 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: jude24; kabar; xzins; blue-duncan
That's called "consciousness of guilt." They should rot in prison - cops can't shoot people in the back if they pose no threat to them.

Boy I hope you never find a time in your military career when you don't go 100% by the book because you will someday be judged by the same standard by which you judge others.

BTW he was not shot in the back, he was shot in the side which was consistent with the testimony that he had turned and pointed a weapon at them. Maybe you can explain how a fleeing felon can be shot in the side when he is supposed to be running away from the cops? If he was fleeing and not pointing a weapon or otherwise posing a threat to the officers, then he would have been shot in the back. He wasn't. Get your facts straight.

44 posted on 07/17/2007 6:11:51 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: CindyDawg

I found it http://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm


45 posted on 07/17/2007 6:13:06 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: jude24
That's called "consciousness of guilt." They should rot in prison - cops can't shoot people in the back if they pose no threat to them.

They claimed he did represent a threat to them, which is why a weapon was used.

If this were in rural Midwestern America, and the person shot an American citizen, we'd all be up in arms about jackbooted-thugs. But because the victim was an illegal alien, we want him shot like a dog?

The "victim" was an "unlicensed pharmacist" i.e., a drug dealer who was smuggling drugs into this country. Since he escaped, we have no way of knowing if he was armed or not or what action he took when confronted by the BP. Perhaps he was armed or made a gesture or action that could have been interpreted that way. You seem so willing to believe a drug smuggler's version of events than law enforcement's.

46 posted on 07/17/2007 6:15:43 AM PDT by kabar
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To: BGHater
Seems the Democrats smell a political opportunity!

Should be interesting to see which tact they take.

47 posted on 07/17/2007 6:18:13 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: kabar
You seem so willing to believe a drug smuggler's version of events than law enforcement's.

A jury weighed the credibilities, and decided they believed the smuggler rather than the officers who tried to cover up their crime. It's called falsus in uno.

48 posted on 07/17/2007 6:18:22 AM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: jude24
A jury weighed the credibilities, and decided they believed the smuggler rather than the officers who tried to cover up their crime. It's called falsus in uno.

And what were the crimes they were convicted of?

49 posted on 07/17/2007 6:24:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Perdogg

Hell our presidents have pardoned more drug dealers than patrol agents. I would bet you money on that.


50 posted on 07/17/2007 6:24:22 AM PDT by SQUID
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