The Rev. Michael Moore (Joseph Farah Sets Moore Straight About Homosexuality In The NT Alert)

Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 07/20/2007 | Joseph Farah

[goldstategop]

Fresh from the success of his latest agitprop promoting socialized medicine, "Sicko" filmmaker Michael Moore is considering whether he will use his next movie to teach us all a thing or two about the mind and will of God.

That's right, call him the Rev. Michael Moore.

Specifically, he intends to share his biblical wisdom regarding the issue of homosexuality and what he sees as irrational hatred of it.

"I think it's a very ripe subject for someone like me to make a movie about," he told the homosexual magazine the Advocate. "Simply because we are not there yet and it remains one of the last open wounds on our soul that we are not willing to fix yet."

Moore told the Advocate he is a spiritual person who supports same-sex marriage.

"There is nowhere in the four Gospels where Jesus uses the word 'homosexual,'" Moore related. "The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ."

(Column continues below)

Well, I don't know which Bible the Rev. Moore is reading, but that's not exactly correct.

First of all, let's deal with the four Gospels. Why is it that Moore limits his reading of the Bible to the four Gospels? I'm sure he will suggest these books are the only ones in which Jesus' actual words are recorded. But, again, that would be totally incorrect.

Jesus' actual words are recorded in other New Testament books as well – such as Acts and Revelation.

Further, Christians believe God the Father and Jesus the Son are one in the same as well as distinct persons. So, it would stand to reason that wherever God speaks in the Bible, Jesus, too, is speaking in one voice.

Taking it a step further, Jesus made it very clear in those Gospels to which Rev. Moore refers that He believed and endorsed every jot and tittle of the Hebrew law handed down from God through Moses.

As Jesus explained in Matthew 5:17-20:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

In other words, what Christians refer to as "Old Testament law" still applies to us as the standard of righteous behavior. That's what Jesus said. Follow the law or face the consequences.

Later in that same chapter, verses 27-29, He says:

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

The penalty for lusting after a woman is death and hell, according to Jesus. Does Moore truly believe that lusting after men is acceptable to "this guy," as he calls the Lord and Savior of mankind?

Later, again, in verses 31-32, Jesus reminds us:

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

What's the relevance of these verse to the issue of homosexuality? It's very clear that Jesus sees sexual sin, any sexual activity outside of marriage, as particularly grievous. Does the Rev. Moore truly believe that homosexuals get a pass from this standard? Does he dare suggest only heterosexuals can commit sexual sin?

And what about the institution of marriage, which Jesus referenced above? Does Rev. Moore really believe Jesus envisioned it as an institution between two men or two women?

You don't even have to leave the four Gospels to see Jesus' definition of marriage. In fact, you don't even have to leave the Book of Matthew.

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

– Matthew 19:4-6

That's what Jesus Himself said about marriage. It's also a very strong statement about the fact that men and women were made for each other. There's no talk here of civil unions. There's no suggestion here of domestic partnerships. There's no hint here that men should fool around with men and that women should fool around with women.

It's a straightforward statement that alone should clarify any misconceptions about what Jesus thought and believed and commanded insofar as sexual unions.

But, again, the Bible and the Christian faith are based on much more than the words spoken by Jesus, who explained that He did not come to overturn the law but to fulfill it. That means the basic commandments of the Hebrew Scriptures didn't change when Jesus came along. And those laws are crystal clear in condemning homosexuality as an abomination in the sight of God – as they are in the inspired teachings of Paul in the New Testament.

In His definition of marriage, Jesus Himself was referring to the law as laid out in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

To believe Rev. Moore's lies, you have to ignore the rest of the Bible entirely – suggest it is simply a fabrication, not God's Word. And, of course, if you say that, you have to believe Jesus was a liar, because He just defended the law above.

I would like to hear what the Rev. Moore has to say about these other specific biblical references to homosexuality. But I doubt I will.

It begins in Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

That seems pretty clear to me. Maybe Rev. Moore has another interpretation. The chapter goes on to state that people who commit these acts, and others God considers abominations, causes the land itself to be defiled.

Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'm still waiting for any Bible student to show me even one verse that suggests a more "tolerant" view of homosexuality.

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say or doesn't say something it does say. That is what the Rev. Moore is doing.

You know and I know it doesn't really matter to the Rev. Moore what Jesus taught about homosexuality. But he knows it still matters to enough Americans. So he distorts Jesus' message to try to fool enough of the weak-minded and illiterate – the natural constituency, I suppose, for his movies.

[Lumper20]

Sad but true. They have a deep hatred for almost everything our founding fathers believed in, and; they will not be happy until they destroy all traditional values.

[ivyleaguebrat]

“Islam is the only major religion to acknowledge the existence of Jesus while at the same time denying His divinity, His crucifixion, and His resurrection.”

IIRC Judaism does this? (Actually I believe Islam recognizes Jesus as a lesser prophet, thus conferring divinity, as does Judaism).

[MarDav]

“The basis of Christianity is that faith in Jesus supposedly “saves” you from the burden of the law.”

This is incorrect. Jesus said, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” What faith in Jesus Christ saves you from is the penalty that breaking the law requires. The Spirit-filled, Spirit-led Christian has been given a new nature whereby he is able to know/understand/keep God’s law. But the old sin-nature still at work keeps this from being the earth-bound Christian’s constant reality. Christ’s one-time sacrifice for sin, because it is sufficient for God’s demand for justice, provides the believer who sins eternal protection from sin’s consequences.

God, in Christ, has seen to it that man’s ever-insufficient efforts at keeping the law has a remedy. But Christian’s are called to live lives that are God and Christ-honoring, and that means they are to aspire to following God and what His word says.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Article, quoting Moore the Boor] "The right wing has appropriated this guy … and they have used him to attack gays and lesbians, when he never said a single word against people who are homosexual. Anyone who professes to be a Christian and does that is certainly not following the teachings of Jesus Christ."

He didn't comment on the directionality of gravity, either, or bibulousness, or a lot of other topics.

However, he never took down or modified the strictures of Genesis and Leviticus, and as you point out, the epistles of Paul of Tarsus and Jude the Obscure to the early Christian communities are quite explicit in condemning arsenokoitai and their lust for pornoi (rent-boys).

[Northern Yankee]

While driving to a doctor's appointment last week, I was listening to a Catholic nun review Michael Moore's latest movie, Sicko. (Relevant Radio) She mentioned how Moore is using his faith in his movie. I damn near drove off the road.

My goodness is she clueless.

[Northern Yankee]

Great points!

I hope that the Catholic Church continues to become stronger in reminding the "cafeteria Catholics" of their convictions of the Catholic faith. It is for the sake of those that are lost, and need to be reminded of what is needed to follow the teachings of Christ.

[Elsie]

Specifically, he intends to share his biblical wisdom regarding the issue of homosexuality and what he sees as irrational hatred of it.

 

Good luck!!

 

Genesis 13:13       Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

      More?

 

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....

Genesis 13:13       Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

      More?

 

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

---

---

2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

---

---

 

But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....

[Elsie]

Moore told the Advocate he is a spiritual person who supports same-sex marriage.

And we can tell just what that 'spirit' is:

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

[Elsie]

This is the first I've ever read of Lord Ho Ho, traitor to America, proclaiming any Christian faith on his part.

Read carefully; he didn't.

[bmwcyle]

AMEN

[Elsie]

You’ve also got Jehovah Witnesses, but I doubt it counts as a ‘major’ religion.

[Elsie]

See what happens when you are friendly with gays?

Genesis 19:6-7
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

[Old Student]

“Romney wouldn’t like this!”

Why? What makes you think so?

[Greg F]

Sometimes I wonder if this world is purgatory.

Michael Moore. Another trial we face. Now regarding purgatory; I agree. This life is our chance for salvation. Welcome to the Protestant world view! :P

[Pinkbell]

It’s a shame that liberals have gotten into the convents and the priesthood. I am hoping that Pope Benedict will keep working to bring those in the Church back to its conservative roots.

[Gondring]

Why? What makes you think so?

Gov. Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, commonly referred to as Mormons). Although not stated as such in The Book of Mormon, later LDS Scriptures and Church teachings are clear that God the Fether is a God and Jesus Christ is also a God (but they are one in purpose). The siring of Jesus was just like any of us were created, with God the Father in flesh and blood form.

So Farah was excluding Mormons from the definition of Christianity.

[Gondring]

Incidentally, Orthodox Jews understand to place things in context -- we know that homosexual acts are immoral and against the word of God. But for Jews they are no worse (and probably much less serious) than flagrant Sabbath desecration.

Why don't Jews who collect wood on the Sabbath get stoned anymore?

"Because they now get drug tested on Monday" won't cut it! ;-)

[Old Student]

“Gov. Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, commonly referred to as Mormons).”

So am I, and I don’t remember anything in our teachings that requires physical siring of Jesus by God. One in SPIRIT and purpose, IIRC. If you have references, I’d be interested in seeing them.

[ChicagoHebrew]

Because we don’t have any courts with the authority to impose the death penalty. Even then, imposition of the death penalty would require many, many procedural proofs that would make its use very rare. . . Jewish sources report that, in antiquity, the death penalty was imposed maybe once every 70 years.

[VxH]

[there’s no rational reason for Christians to single out homosexual acts as the one so-called “Old” testament law that still applies,]

Does Natural Law still apply, Dr. Frankenstein?