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Infrastructure- the Other White Meat
Townhall.com ^ | August 4, 2007 | Michael McBride

Posted on 08/04/2007 6:00:18 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 08/04/2007 6:00:19 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Most states are diverting funds from fuel taxes into social spending to buy votes. The result is pot holes, rusty bridges, clogged streets and a whole class of people who sit on their asses.
If they put a sign up on every bridge telling it’s rating..there would be a lot of voters demanding action.
Canada has had the same problem..Quebec bridge collaps, but nothing has changed.


2 posted on 08/04/2007 6:11:18 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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Infrastructure does wear out. That's the normal trajectory of such things. The risk of dying because a bridge collapses while you are driving over it, is far less than being killed by lightening or shark bite, and only slightly more likely than encountering "Snakes on Planes."

Context, people, context. Get your comparative risk statistics on straight.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "It Bleeds, It Leads, It Deceives"

3 posted on 08/04/2007 6:11:31 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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Paradoxically, when I drive up and down Interstate 81 this summer every friggin' bridge seems to be under repair, along with half the road surface. Interstate 81 is nearly a de facto two lane road rather than a superhighway.

This situation screams for engineering innovation. We need a way to repair/replace bridges with less disruption. How about a civilian version of the portable Army bridge (Wolverine?). Something that could temporarily carry the load while the permanent span is repaired. It wouldn't work for the longest spans but we need creative solutions.

How about using old aircraft carriers? Use the flight decks as bridges. Two of them, one on each bank, with a temporary span between them to allow river traffic to pass. 800-1000 ft.each plus a 100+ ft span and you could bridge a significant gap.

4 posted on 08/04/2007 6:18:17 AM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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They just passed a massive highway and infrastructure spending program, including a bridge to nowhere. It’s not that they don’t have the money. We’re spending the money. It’s just that we are spending it on the wrong things.


5 posted on 08/04/2007 6:20:35 AM PDT by Brilliant
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the aircraft idea is cool. not sure if it would work, but the idea of driving across a carrier deck is an awesome feeling!


6 posted on 08/04/2007 6:51:33 AM PDT by HotTubDave
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I think the problem is the projects are all NEW projects - new roads, bridges, etc. no one wants to fix the old ones.


7 posted on 08/04/2007 6:52:09 AM PDT by HotTubDave
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Of course, they were fixing this one when the accident happened. The witnesses said that workmen were going at the bridge with jackhammers. I suspect that ultimately, they’ll conclude that’s what triggered the collapse.


8 posted on 08/04/2007 6:54:24 AM PDT by Brilliant
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why would lib/dem legislatures appropriate funds for infastructure....

they are too busy spending tax payer funds for stem cell research...and all illegal welfare projects!!!!


9 posted on 08/04/2007 6:55:30 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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Isn’t building a new stadium far more important than maintaining roads, bridges, etc? Aren’t tax payers better off buying expensive facilities for “their” team than paying for road repair??? </ sacrasm>


10 posted on 08/04/2007 7:27:01 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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Maybe during the 1990s the State of Minnesota should not of diverted over a billion dollars of State and Federal infrastructure dollars into an eco-freak boondoggle light rail project between down town Minneapolis and the Minneapolis airport. Maybe they should of been tending to their existing infastructure instead of wasting our money "legacy building".

The sadly ironic thing here is the terminal for this billion dollar waste og resources is about 1 mile from the bridge that collapsed.

11 posted on 08/04/2007 7:33:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Today’s task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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Well I guess building “Light rail” to carry fat cats from their down town Minneapolis offices to the airport, which cost us over a billion during the 1990s, probably is more to blame here.


12 posted on 08/04/2007 7:34:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Today’s task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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I remember in the Army when we approached a bridge while marching we were ordered to “break step” that is stop marching in step because the vibrations from 100 men marching in step could cause a bridge to collapse. I suspect that a jackhammer, if tuned to the natural frequency of the bridge, could cause sympathetic vibrations that could collapse the bridge. I remember also back in those days 50 years ago that bridges had signs on them that listed the maximum load that a truck could carry on that bridge. I never see those signs anymore.


13 posted on 08/04/2007 8:03:26 AM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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There were apparently some significant cracks in the bridge already. Why no one considered what impact the jackhammers would have on those cracks, I do not know.


14 posted on 08/04/2007 8:07:49 AM PDT by Brilliant
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I suspect the Dims are blowing smoke on the bridge collapse as being caused by Bush because in reality the bridge was built in 1967 during the Johnson administration while Lyndon was skimping on domestic projects to ramp up his war in Vietnam. More guns less butter. I’m sure the bridge design was the least costly and therefore won the contract.


15 posted on 08/04/2007 8:11:03 AM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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“They just passed a massive highway and infrastructure spending program, including a bridge to nowhere. It’s not that they don’t have the money. We’re spending the money. It’s just that we are spending it on the wrong things.’

What seems to be happening is we budget for highway and infrastructure repair. Year after year the States put it in their budget and all the money gets used up by lawyers and administrators before dime one gets to the bridge.

New Orleans comes to mind.


16 posted on 08/04/2007 8:23:58 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The Democrat Party: "Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.")
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“Well I guess building “Light rail” to carry fat cats from their down town Minneapolis offices to the airport, which cost us over a billion during the 1990s, probably is more to blame here.”

I must call Bravo Sierra. The real reason is that the voters of that deeply Democrapic state are socialists.

I would like to see their Federal road related taxes doubled until they pay for their own bridge. maintaining the bridge was/is their responsibilty. They spent like the Scandinavian Nanny State socialists they are descended from.

Waste a billion bucks, pay back the wasted billion bucks.

Being the soul of generosity, and a “Compassionate Conservative”, I suggest that we Americans forgive them the interest on the outstanding balance while they are repaying the wasted money.


17 posted on 08/04/2007 8:37:04 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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You have light rail?!? You sure are lucky. No doubt you've eliminated all the traffic and pollution problems as promised.

Charlotte (NC) is going through the process of building it right now. The city is in the massive cost overrun/review/tax increase stage. Totally predicted by every one but the politicians who pushed it...also totally predictable.

Over a billion $$, you say? Great. It's going to be fun to watch the politicians try to sell that here.

18 posted on 08/04/2007 9:28:03 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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“Maybe during the 1990s . . . eco-freak boondoggle light rail project between down town Minneapolis and the Minneapolis airport”

And the winner is you!!!! They tore up 5th street to put up this horror, traffic has never been the same downtown—it’s gotten way worse. Now they’re going to tear up University. You wait the 94 bridge is next.

19 posted on 08/04/2007 9:33:29 AM PDT by adgirl
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To: EQAndyBuzz
What seems to be happening is we budget for highway and infrastructure repair. Year after year the States put it in their budget and all the money gets used up by lawyers and administrators before dime one gets to the bridge.

New Orleans comes to mind.

Why yes, it does . . .

20 posted on 08/04/2007 9:36:59 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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