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Time to admit the 'gun nuts' are right
Journal Inquirer ^ | 8/3/2007 | Keith C. Burris

Posted on 08/04/2007 10:30:58 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama

In the aftermath of the Petit family slayings in Cheshire, we all reached for explanations: How do human beings sink this low? How could this tragedy have been prevented? Why? There are so many nagging questions. They all need to be asked. And maybe some old arguments need to be hashed out again.

Why not a more stringent "three strikes and you're out" law in this state? Connecticut's version is so weak that it's more like "30 strikes and we'll think about it while you strike again."

Why not speed up the criminal trial process for repeat violent offenders? Get them off the streets. It's been proposed many times. Most people agree it should be done. It never happens.

Can't we better monitor the probation process?

Can't we do a better job of predicting -- figuring out which non-violent criminals are about to turn violent?

Are home alarms really effective?

How about dogs?

But somehow all of these ideas pale before the barbarity of this particular crime.

That is why one old question is worth asking again. It is this: What if the Second Amendment is for real? Is it possible that it should it be revered, just like the First Amendment?

Sam Ervin said, "The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." Maybe that applies to all of the Constitution.

Is it possible that the Second Amendment is not a quaint and antiquated remnant of a world that will never return, but an idea as relevant and sound today as when it was written?

Is it possible that we are not talking about the right of the government to form a militia when there is no standing army, but the right of the individual to defend himself, or herself, against both tyranny and lawlessness? Maybe we are talking about the right of self-defense -- the right of the individual to take up arms against a government that wants to oppress, be it foreign or domestic. And the right of the individual to defend himself against criminals, brutes, and barbarians when local police seem unable to stop them.

Might the Second Amendment matter almost as much as the First?

I think the answer is yes.

And just like the First, the Second is practical, newly relevant, and far wiser than the watered-down alternatives.

I don't think George Bush wants to impose martial law on his fellow citizens. But he has diluted habeas corpus. And he has enlarged Big Brother. You have to stop and think about a government that wants to control the thoughts and behavior of its people.

Should such a government be permitted to disarm them as well?

And whereas the reform of the criminal justice system along some of the lines suggested above (a real "three strikes" law and faster trials for violent offenders) would not have saved the lives of Jennifer, and Hayley, and Michaela Petit, a gun might have.

I don't say it would have.

I say it might have.

Had Dr. William Petit had access to a gun and known how to use it, he might have been able to dispatch the two perpetrators, who were armed with only an air gun and ropes.

Moreover, the three victims here were women.

What if Mrs. Hawke-Petit had been trained in the use of firearms? Suppose she had been able to get to a gun after her husband was beaten into unconsciousness by the invaders? Or when she was forced to take one captor to the bank to fetch him money?

It's worth thinking about.

Women and children are now the major targets of predators in our society. Government is not protecting them very well. Many professional women who work in cities know this and take courses in self-defense. A gun may be the only realistic self-defense against the sort of criminals we are talking about here.

And if a few women took care of a few thugs in cases like this; if a few stories like this one ended in a different way -- with a woman blowing one of these brutes to kingdom come -- it might be a deterrent. Lives upon lives might be spared.

A friend of mine said: "The gun nuts are back."

They are.

And they are right.

Mind you, we are talking about arming people who are trained and know how to use a weapon.

No one should have a gun who has not been trained.

Just as one gets training in handling a boat, motorcycle, or car, one must learn how to use and safely store a gun. (The National Rifle Association maintains an extensive national network of programs in firearms training and education.)

And, obviously, no one would be forced to own a gun.

A second caveat: Encouraging citizens to arm themselves is no "answer" to crimes like the Petit murders.

An "answer" does not exist.

But it is one of several remedies when we are faced with palpable evil.

All possible remedies should be on the table:

-- Various reforms of the justice system, like a real three-strike-law for predatory offenders.

-- Better psychological treatment for troubled youth.

-- Religious training, in both love and self-restraint, especially when people are young.

-- Prison programs that both retain the hard core and educate the educable.

-- More and better home alarm systems.

-- More cops visible in more neighborhoods.

-- Dobermans.

All of these approaches have merit.

So does self-defense.

None of these options "fix" a society that can produce human beings who torture and kill the defenseless for sport.

No one step or program can plug every hole in America's justice system, or its soul.

But there are times when a gun in the hands of a potential victim may save a life.

Let's admit -- since the murderers, and druggies, and psychos, and thieves already have guns -- that arming the peaceful, law-abiding, decent, and productive people, whether in a school, or a private home, or on the way to a parked car, is an option that also has merit.

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Keith C. Burris is editorial page editor of the Journal Inquirer.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; selfdefense
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To: Erik Latranyi
Ranger Up T Shirts has a good motto: People that hate guns haven't met enough people that deserve to be shot.

They also have impressively cute models showing off their shirts

121 posted on 08/04/2007 4:12:18 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Open Season rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI)
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To: humblegunner
Guns scare me

Me, too. But not as much as these two evil perps.

Also, I have a friend who once was repeatedly knifed and brutalized to the point of death by a stranger one afternoon in her own home.

She had a gun, but couldn't get to it. And didn't try, as she believed he would have disarmed her and used the gun on her.

As it was she played dead, and barely escaped with her life, spending over a month in ICU.

It was summer and she only had a screen door between her and the perp.

An argument for airconditioning and bolts.

Guns aren't always the answer, but there are times when nothing else can make a difference.

My elderly aunt once scared off three men trying to break in with her gun, and my sister-in-law scared off a coke head who shattered her livingroom picture window and stepped into the house by grabbing a loaded shotgun. Both are trained in firearms, and that training and their guns came in handy.

122 posted on 08/04/2007 4:13:05 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Eaker

That was an impressive failure


123 posted on 08/04/2007 4:14:19 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Open Season rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI)
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To: Eaker
Image hosted by Photobucket.com flash over???
124 posted on 08/04/2007 4:32:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: humblegunner

I sold all of my guns and took a course in passive agressive debate ...........I feel so much better.


125 posted on 08/04/2007 4:32:48 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Bless you for coming out of the closet!

;<)


126 posted on 08/04/2007 4:39:33 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; redhead

Redhead has a little sign on her website: http://www.opinions3.com/

Scroll down below the Li’l Abner comic strip. The choice is clear to me.


127 posted on 08/04/2007 4:40:31 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Alcohol doesn't solve any problems. But then, neither does chocolate,)
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To: Eaker

Closet ?!?!?..........You mean gunsafe !

Man that Popocatapet1 is klicking with the logic ain’t she !


128 posted on 08/04/2007 4:43:18 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: TheMom
No tightness nor forcing of anything. Thirteenth bullet was placed in the chamber, same as the previous twelve. The bolt was properly engaged and no finger was on the trigger. As the gun was being brought up to the shoulder it went KA-BOOM!

Thanks... I was going by memory, and no doubt many of the speculative comments I saw posted online were as firmly rooted in my mind as was the image. Everybody in the web forums is an expert in such matters, you know. ;-)

I'll have to make it down to Houston for one of the shoots; it seems a lot closer now that I live in the same state.

129 posted on 08/04/2007 4:53:48 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: All; humblegunner
For pity sake. Here is a picture of humblegunner shooting a Barrett .50BMG. Not a girlie weapon by a damn sight!



He was JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here he is shooting one of his many weapons.



Maybe try reading a bit more of the thread before posting at one of the first few comments.

130 posted on 08/04/2007 4:53:56 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: humblegunner

“Guns scare me.”

Guns scare anyone with any sense. That is why you get training on and with them, so you know what they can and cannot do, and what you can and cannot do with them. They are not a magic wand. You cannot wave one and make everything right. You can stop someone from harming you or your family, however, if you have one, know how to use it, and do use it.

All the which I hope you already knew, but just in case...


131 posted on 08/04/2007 4:56:58 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Squantos; Popocatapetl
Man that Popocatapet1 is klicking with the logic ain’t she !

So well dinner is trying not to stay down.

132 posted on 08/04/2007 4:58:26 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
"Had Dr. William Petit had access to a gun and known how to use it"

Nothing stopping him from doing so.

The State of Connecticut protects his individual right to keep and bear arms. The State Constitution reads:

"Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state."

A lot of people went to a lot of trouble to make sure his right to keep and bear arms is protected. Concealed carry is protected. Even if the second amendment didn't exist, his state protects his right.

Now, for all we know, he was armed. Cops are killed all the time and they carry guns on their hip. It's possible that he was surprised at 4am and couldn't get to a weapon.

133 posted on 08/04/2007 4:59:22 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: papertyger
All the guns in the world won't protect a nation full of people that won't use those guns until their enemy tells them it's okay.

*low whistle* Major profundity.

134 posted on 08/04/2007 5:00:13 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Lurker
“I’m going to risk a disagreement with you here. More people are killed by back yard swimming pools and automobiles than by firearms but you don’t see the libs trying to ban them.

They want to ban our guns because they know they’re the final ‘reset’ button on our Government.”

And the though that we might “reset” the government terrifies them...

You can take that as I totally agree with you on this subject, at least.

135 posted on 08/04/2007 5:02:15 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Eaker
He was JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just speaking for myself...

So was I!!!!!!!!!!!!


136 posted on 08/04/2007 5:08:22 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) 9/11: Many of us REFUSE to Forget!!)
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To: Eaker
"How did you teach yer guns not to poop?"

Two valid uses for any newspaper with "times" in the title;
Spread out on the floor / bottom of the safe, or...
Rolled up to swat 'em on the muzzle if they misbehave.

137 posted on 08/04/2007 5:10:04 PM PDT by norton
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To: Hot Tabasco

All my semiautos poop.


138 posted on 08/04/2007 5:15:15 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Eaker

Yipes!


139 posted on 08/04/2007 5:17:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Eaker
How did you teach yer guns not to poop?

LOL! Lots of patience.........but it was easier than getting an ex-roommate's doberman that once bit me to get to like me.

140 posted on 08/04/2007 5:17:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If your cat was big enough it would probably eat you)
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