Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #4 - Des Moines, IA 08/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

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[CounterCounterCulture]

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #4 – Des Moines, Iowa 08/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

ABC News will be conducting a debate to be aired on This Week. The nine announced GOP presidential candidates meet in a campaign debate at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa. George Stephanopoulos is the moderator; Des Moines Register political writer David Yepsen poses additional questions. Debate starts at 8 am CT (9 am ET/ 6 am PT) * check local stations for broadcast time in your area *

Candidates participating

• Sam Brownback
• Rudy Giuliani
• Mike Huckabee
• Duncan Hunter
• John McCain
• Mitt Romney
• Ron Paul
• Tom Tancredo
• Tommy Thompson

[CounterCounterCulture]

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[mainepatsfan]

Each candidate hopes they’ll be the one who gets the question about Obama’s plan to invade Pakistan.

[GOP_Raider]

I’m working right now—unfortunately—so I can’t watch the damn thing with the sound off.

Mr. Alexandra Wentworth is moderating this thing too. That’s like Walt Coleman refereeing a football ga——oh, wait, that happens. Grrrrrrr.

[CounterCounterCulture]

Debate, Part 4... breakfast not included. :-)

[BunnySlippers]

This early?

[tiredoflaundry]

.. breakfast not included. :-)

damn.................. ;-)

[CounterCounterCulture]

Courtesy Ping

[Mercat]

thanks

[mainepatsfan]

How about brunch?

[CounterCounterCulture]

This early?

Yeh, tell me about it. I'm up at 5:30am and I don't even get a live feed on the left coast, unless there's a live internet feed somewhere.

Makes it tough to do live commentary.

[GOP_Raider]

Breakfast? I’m about to have dinner! Nothing like working graveyard...

[CounterCounterCulture]

Sure, if you’re buying. ;-)

[Weeedley]

Its Sunday. I wish i didn’t need to curse mcPain out on a Sunday. Oh well... what has to be has to be.

[mainepatsfan]

Well I could run to Dunkin Donuts and grab us a bag of Munchkins.

[WalterSkinner]

..we have to wait until 8 AM our time-—nuts!

[TomGuy]

This Week is running an expanded edition.

Check Tvguide.com for local times.

Also, abcnews.com is running a streaming feed.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

WABC New York 9:00 AM

Excellent! I like the idea of radio debates in general. Their advantage over TV is that since time isn't as precious/scarce as TV time, the debates can in principle be far less of a pressure cooker affair. And the lack of video removes the hair factor from consideration . . .

I would however prefer true debates in which two individuals squared off without questions or limitations from a moderator - only a chess timer controlling the microphones. If the candidates actually need a moderator, they are pretty worthless at public speaking in the first place. In reality the moderator is normally an "objective" (note the scare quotes) journalist whose fondest hope is that the conservative(s) in the debate will commit "gaffes."

[Son House]

Sam Brownback
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Duncan Hunter
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Ron Paul
Tom Tancredo
Tommy Thompson

.
They only have to beat Biden on substance, Obama on style.

[TomGuy]

I hope Steffie in the Republican Debate asks the hard questions, like the Youtubers did, so we can get answers:

Who was your favorite teacher?
What was your favorite subject in high school?
At what age did you go on your first date?
What is your favorite book?
What is your favorite movie?
Who is your favorite actor?
Who is your favorite actress?
What is your favorite color?
Boxers or briefs?

[/s]

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

WABC New York 9:00 AM

Excellent! I like the idea of radio debates in general. Their advantage over TV is that since time isn't as precious/scarce as TV time, the debates can in principle be far less of a pressure cooker affair. And the lack of video removes the hair factor from consideration . . .

I would however prefer true debates in which two individuals squared off without questions or limitations from a moderator - only a chess timer controlling the microphones. If the candidates actually need a moderator, they are pretty worthless at public speaking in the first place. In reality the moderator is normally an "objective" (note the scare quotes) journalist whose fondest hope is that the conservative(s) in the debate will commit "gaffes."

[BunnySlippers]

I’m in LA. Does it say it’s on KABC? That’s channel 7.

Lemme turn it on.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT

[johnny7]

Each candidate hopes they’ll be the one who gets the question about Obama’s plan to invade Pakistan.

But they'll get... global-warming, decayed-infrastructure, Iraq withdrawal, domestic-spying, culture-of-corruption, Terry Schiavo...

[CounterCounterCulture]

Do you have a link to the streaming feed?

[AmericanInTokyo]

Any streaming audio ANYWHERE to be found, of this event, live? (I doubt it, due to copyright laws).

Just wondering.

Many overseas would like to tune in!

[mainepatsfan]

Don’t forget Scooter Libby.

[AfterManyASummer]

Anyone know if there’s a live feed of this debate anywhere? I don’t have a TV.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

You forgot these: What do you think about Hillary Clinton?What do you think about Hillary Clinton’s cleavage? How can global warming successfully be stopped? Exactly how bad is President Bush? Why do all of you have a problem with the gay lifestyle? Why do all of you have a problem with all minority groups? Why do all of you want to kill our troops instead of safely bringing them back home? What’s wrong with having Bill Clinton back at the White House? Why is the Republican Party so evil?

[econjack]

I think they should ask Shrillary the last question...

[padre35]

What a bizzare time to hold a debate and what a screwy format for a debate.

It won’t air in my area until 11:00 am.

[Son House]

Giving everybody’s poll number.

[Son House]

Robo-call(?) is on, first caller ‘abortion’.

[econjack]

How about: Do you think Hillary will ever wear something other than a pants suit?

(Answer: Only after she puts her ankles on a diet. Besides, she’s always worn the pants in the family, anyway.)

[mainepatsfan]

Of course.

[CounterCounterCulture]

For those watching live, give detailed accounts so that those with latter video feeds can follow along later.

Instead of “What a stupid answer,” explain what the candidate’s stupid answer was. That goes double for stupid questions. :-)

[johnny7]

It is Stephie... LMAO!

This'll be worse than Spitboy's, DNC talking-points debate.

[George W. Bush]

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http://www.ronpaul2008.com/snippets...

Also... I just got a call from Iowa, the pre-debate rally is taking place right now, and the word is that Ron Paul's supporters are outnumbering the opponents 20-1... Go folks, make some noise!

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[rodguy911]

Wow thanks so much for doing this!!

[AmericanInTokyo]

I (and I sense many others here on FR) personally want to hear a CLEAR, EMPHATIC, INCONTROVERTIBLE BREAK FROM THE PRESIDENT on a number of the BIG TICKET policy items. Shamnesty for Illegals, Big Government, Pandering to Islamics/Political Correctness.

Any Presidential Candidate this morning up there who cannot bring himself to do that, but instead just parrots the usual RNC Establishment line, or worse yet, tries to split hairs and talk out of two sides of his mouth, hasn't a hope or a prayer for THIS conservative's vote in the primaries next year.

[Son House]

Romney ‘tired of holier then thou’ that have been pro-life longer then him, says he is pro-life.

[tiredoflaundry]

placemark

[Beagle8U]

Is it on C-span?

[rineaux]

Thanks for the ping.

[TomGuy]

Do you have a link to the streaming feed?

I couldn't find any.

Neither abcnews.com, Des Moines Register newspaper, nor the abc affiliate in Des Moines are streaming it.

[Son House]

still on abortion, I don’t think Thompson is present, 13% in polls.

Steph to McCain, De-emphisise abortion to security? A:COnnected, radical Islam a problem,

Iraq ending war, Q from Dem debate, Paul, come home, we’re losing, run down, moral, change rules for rest.

Hunter on Iraq Q; Salvador standing side by side in Iraq, Marines turned situation araond ,no dem paused from their exit to say good job to marines, no stamped to leave.

[CounterCounterCulture]

Is it on C-span?

Nope, or at least not live.

[GOP_Raider]

Ditzy (my name for her, sorry I forgot what it was) from Grinnell, IA “What do you plan on doing to end the War in Iraq?”

Ron Paul: “Just come home.” Thunderous applause, I think some scattered boos.

[small voice in the wilderness]

Steffie: "Gentleman. All of you profess to be religious. Why aren't you in church today??"

".....??...uh...????....:

Steffie: "That's what I thought. More hypocrisy from the right."

"...........?.........."

[Son House]

Huckabee, stay and win, money used against us come from middle east, end dependance on foriegn ooiil,

excuse spelling, I am trying to type too fast.

[Son House]

Q lack of politcal progress to MCCain, yes their is progress, American national interest, We will be back if we lose. Moral is good, no date for surrender.