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'Assault rifles' have a legal and useful place in hunting
The Oregonian ^ | August 12, 2007 | Bill Monroe

Posted on 08/14/2007 12:47:46 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: RS
I checked out that aftermarket "bull pup" stock for the 10/22. The linkage to the trigger is a flimsy piece of plastic. I wouldn't bother wasting money on it unless you just want to build an odd looking 10/22.

After I purchased that Magnum Research rifle, I also realized that Ruger puts a better quality trigger group in the 10/22 Target model. You really do get a better rifle for the money. I was attracted to the light, quick handling of the Magnum Research model. It will make a fine rabbit rifle.

61 posted on 08/14/2007 5:05:41 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

People do a lot of strange things with them.

Gun shop around me had 2 of them mounted side by side on a tripod ( one inverted ) with a single grip in the back middle and a crank running cams to the triggers - kind of like an old Gatling.


62 posted on 08/14/2007 5:19:39 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: ozzymandus; Delacon

I don’t believe this is correct. Most of the gun ignorant people I’ve crossed paths with have been absolutely certain that “assault guns” are machine guns. They believe that no normal person should own a machine gun and are fully in agreement with assault weapon bans.

They also tend to believe that a glock auto pistol is a fully automatic one handed machine gun. I think they get these silly notions from the old fashioned movies showing al capone and such with tommy guns. An M16 is way more modern than a tommy gun so it obviously must be way more powerful and way faster shooting than the old tommy gun of the gangster movies.

I think this is how their logic works.

BTW, you would be surprised how many people actually think the brass and the slug fly out the barrel together intact and penetrate their target as a unified undeformed projectile. Most gun ignorant people think that ammo is mini rockets that spew propellant out the back as it flys.


63 posted on 08/14/2007 5:22:10 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: neverdem
Legally, it shouldn't matter whether the "assult rifles" have a place in hunting or not.

The Constitution gave us the right to bear arms IN ORDER THAT WE, THE PEOPLE, COULD CONTROL OUR GOVERNMENT--not just to shoot a boar.


64 posted on 08/14/2007 5:24:08 PM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones playing by the rules.)
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To: bannie
The Constitution gave us the right to bear arms IN ORDER THAT WE, THE PEOPLE, COULD CONTROL OUR GOVERNMENT--not just to shoot a boar.

The Second Amendment only recognizes our pre-existing right.

65 posted on 08/14/2007 6:40:31 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Myrddin

Wild stock!


66 posted on 08/14/2007 6:46:37 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
minus his job with Outdoor Life and most of the cut-and-run sponsors. ,

Mr. Zumbo was more interested in the perks of being an "outdoor writer", capitalizing in sponsored hunts that you and I save for a lifetime for.

Unfortunately Mr. Zumbo never once gave a thought to the rights that allowed him to live his life of hunting luxury nor to the firearms that he had access to and via his ignorance, the public he rubbed elbows with told him to shove it.

If the NRA dumped him then good for then. I'm not shedding any tears for his gross stupidity and as far as I'm concerned, he can take a whole battalion of Iraqi war veterans on "safari". It will never make up for the "ammo" that he provided to the Brady bunch........

67 posted on 08/14/2007 7:10:13 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Farewell Turd Blossom, ya done good!)
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Ol’Joaquin was doin’ good until he stuck his big boot in his mouth. I remember watching Bill Maher some years ago (one of the few times)an Aussie actress who played in a shoot em’ up cable series said pretty much the same thing only she said that only the police and military should any guns. I seem to think that the token conservative was Dennis Praeger, he said “You mean like hitler or pol pot?” (Cue liberal looking at shoes).


68 posted on 08/14/2007 7:18:19 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: neverdem
Wild stock!

For the "kit" minded 10/22 builder, you can acquire the stock, receiver, barrel, bolt and caliber specific bolt handle (17M2/22LR) ala cart from Magnum Research. Many suppliers have purchased the rights to carve out that stock pattern. The special Ruger Olympic 10/22 Target has that stock pattern with red/white/blue laminate and a stainless hammer forged barrel.

If you like custom laminates, check out this sample. I'm planning to order a T/C Contender G2 "Stinger" stock from this supplier. Their products come unfinished. Finish sanding and appropriate finish coats are necessary.

The "wild" stock also comes in nutmeg laminate, "pepper" and the Black Forest Camo I selected.

My dad left me a 1983 vintage 10/22 with walnut stock and blue barrel. The only changes I've made include the Buffer Technologies recoil buffer and a set of Williams Firesight front post/peep sight. Very pleasant to shoot that way.

69 posted on 08/14/2007 9:10:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: tacticalogic
Don’t 10/22’s have a rotary mag?

The Factory magazine is a 10 round rotary. But after market magazines can be 10 round "box" (but curved because of the rime on the cases, or even a drum magazine of sorts. The banana type hold 25 or 30 rounds, the others typically 50 rounds. (But should be more reliable, even the best 30 rounders get kind of weak after a while.

They can also be tricked out to look "evil" indeed.

Yes there's a 10/22 under all that!

70 posted on 08/14/2007 10:13:50 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: EEDUDE
You can buy aftermarket 30 round mags for them. (in case you are attacked by a whole bunch of squirrels at the same time)

Or want to play "kick the can" from 25 or 50 yards out.

71 posted on 08/14/2007 10:15:14 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SampleMan
Hunting isn't an enumerated right.

But it is a right nonetheless. Even officially recognized in some cases by legislation. Also protected by the 9th amendment and some explictly by some state Constitutions. Between '96 and '02, six states — Virginia, North Dakota, Minnesota, Alabama, California, Rhode Island, and Vermont added this right to their state Constitutions. IIRC some states had it protected before then, and some may have added it since.

72 posted on 08/14/2007 10:21:41 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
Actually, there is a ranking member of the NRA now saying that we don’t need “assualt rifles” and no more than 5 rounds of ammo... he needs his ass fired from the NRA... but they will not fire him...

How embarrassing, an NRA board member and a Texas Ranger who thinks the second amendment is about hunting...game animals, rather than politicians.

However, the membership can fire him, not the "leadership" . NRA board members are elected by the members (you have belong for some minimum number of years to be able to vote) not by the leadership. There's always a few that are considerably more radical than the permanent staff, and I guess some that are pretty weak too.

But to have it be a Texas Ranger is just humiliating.

73 posted on 08/14/2007 10:29:31 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Myrddin
Myrddin said: "An assault rifle is a select fire action with a reduced power cartridge to make firing in full auto easier."

Also, detachable magazines permit rapid reloading. And the intermediate power cartridge allows the user to carry more ammo, as well as control the weapon.

74 posted on 08/14/2007 10:42:36 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: neverdem
It remains a free country, and if someone wants to carry that message into the woods, the First Amendment allows the statement and the Second allows the shot.

Neither of these rights are granted or allowed by the Constitution. He's almost there but not quite. The BoR merely acknowledges God given rights.

75 posted on 08/14/2007 10:56:05 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: telebob; Magnum44
telebob said: "The AR 15 is legal in California, as a matter of fact, ..."

My guess is that Colt owns the trademark "AR-15" designation. That particular rifle would have to be a registered assault weapon in Kalifornia and would be unavailable to virtually anyone who didn't own one during the 90 day period allowed for registration.

Firearms of similar design can be built up without the necessity for registration. Such rifles would operate virtually identically to the AR-15, but would lack some of the "military" features that are now perfectly legal to have in most other states. The key sacrifice is to give up the pistol grip. The challenge is to not run afoul of any of the various "assault weapon" laws.

One can also give up the detachable magazine which then allows the use of the "military" features.

In effect, a gun owner can have ANYTHING they want. They just can't have EVERYTHING they want on the same rifle. To the knowledgeable, the so-called "assault weapons" laws are the stupidest laws on the books and only serve to inconvenience gun owners with absolutely no social benefit whatever.

76 posted on 08/14/2007 10:59:22 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: neverdem
From the article: "We all wish there weren't assault weapons afield during hunting seasons -- or perhaps any other season. "

Paging the "Not this crap again" poster.

Korean shopkeepers during the L.A. riots were happy to have their so-called "assault weapons" to protect their hard-earned property from attack by mobs of looters, at a time when police and National Guard were nowhere in sight.

Only a liberal fool disarms himself unnecessarily.

77 posted on 08/14/2007 11:06:01 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Myrddin
An assault rifle is a select fire action with a reduced power cartridge to make firing in full auto easier

True, by DoD definition. However an "assault weapon" is whatever gun some gun grabbing politician or LEO wants to ban. Right now there is no *federal* definition of "assault weapon" as the definition expired with the ban.

78 posted on 08/14/2007 11:56:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
But it is a right nonetheless.

Hunting must be regulated, sometimes highly regulated, in order to prevent the tragedy of the commons. There are very few rights where we accept as much state control as we do with hunting.

It is not a good idea to tie hunting to the 2A.

79 posted on 08/15/2007 1:29:37 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Puppage

So you just picked my post at random for your reply... fair enough. I do have to disagree with you, though. “Assault” in this usage is an adjective describing the type of weapon...


80 posted on 08/15/2007 7:27:03 AM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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