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Ammunition shortage squeezes police
The Indy Channel ^ | 08/17/07 | ESTES THOMPSON

Posted on 08/17/2007 11:45:28 AM PDT by Abathar

Troops training for and fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are firing more than 1 billion bullets a year, contributing to ammunition shortages hitting police departments nationwide and preventing some officers from training with the weapons they carry on patrol.

An Associated Press review of dozens of police and sheriff's departments found that many are struggling with delays of as long as a year for both handgun and rifle ammunition. And the shortages are resulting in prices as much as double what departments were paying just a year ago.

"There were warehouses full of it. Now, that isn't the case," said Al Aden, police chief in Pierre, S.D.

Departments in all parts of the country reported delays or reductions in training and, in at least one case, a proposal to use paint-ball guns in firing drills as a way to conserve real ammo.

Forgoing proper, repetitive weapons training comes with a price on the streets, police say, in diminished accuracy, quickness on the draw and basic decision-making skills.

"You are not going to be as sharp or as good, especially if an emergency situation comes up," said Sgt. James MacGillis, range master for the Milwaukee police. "The better-trained officer is the one that is less likely to use force."

The pinch is blamed on a skyrocketing demand for ammunition that followed the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, driven by the training needs of a military at war, and, ironically, police departments raising their own practice regiments following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The increasingly voracious demand for copper and lead overseas, especially in China, has also been a factor.

The military is in no danger of running out because it gets the overwhelming majority of its ammunition from a dedicated plant outside Kansas City. But police are at the mercy of commercial manufacturers.

None of the departments surveyed by the AP said they had pulled guns off the street, and many departments reported no problems buying ammunition. But others told the AP they face higher prices and months-long delays.

In Oklahoma City, for example, officers cannot qualify with AR-15 rifles because the department does not have enough .223-caliber ammunition — a round similar to that fired by the military's M-16 and M4 rifles. Last fall, an ammunition shortage forced the department to cancel qualification courses for several different guns.

"We've got to teach the officers how to use the weapon, and they've got to be able to go to the range and qualify with the weapon and show proficiency," said department spokesman Capt. Steve McCool. "And you can't do that unless you have the rounds."

In Milwaukee, supplies of .40-caliber handgun bullets and .223-caliber rifle rounds have gotten so low the department has repeatedly dipped into its ammunition reserves. Some weapons training has already been cut by 30 percent, and lessons on rifles have been altered to conserve bullets.

Unlike troops in an active war zone, patrol officers rarely fire their weapons in the line of duty. Even then, an officer in a firefight isn't likely to shoot more than a dozen rounds, said Asheville, N.C., police training officer Lt. Gary Gudac. That, he said, makes training with live ammunition for real-life situations — such as a vehicle stop — so essential.

"We spend a lot of money and time making sure the officers are able to shoot a moving target or shoot back into a vehicle," Gudac said. "Any time we have a deadly force encounter, one of the first things we pull is the officer's qualification records."

In Trenton, N.J., a lack of available ammunition led the city to give up plans to convert its force to .45-caliber handguns. Last year, the sheriff's department in Bergen County, N.J., had to borrow 26,000 rounds of .40-caliber ammunition to complete twice-a-year training for officers.

"Now we're planning at least a year and a half, even two years in advance," said Bergen County Detective David Macey, a firearms examiner.

In Phoenix, an order for .38-caliber rounds placed a year ago has yet to arrive, meaning no officer can currently qualify with a .38 Special revolver.

"We got creative in how we do in training," said Sgt. Bret Draughn, who supervises the department's ammunition purchases. "We had to cut out extra practice sessions. We cut back in certain areas so we don't have to cut out mandatory training."

In Wyoming, the state leaned on its ammunition suppler earlier this year so every state trooper could qualify on the standard-issue AR-15 rifle, said Capt. Bill Morse. Rifle rounds scheduled to arrive in January did not show up until May, leading to a rush of troopers trying to qualify by the deadline.

"We didn't (initially) have enough ammunition to qualify everybody in the state," Morse said.

In Indianapolis, police spokesman Lt. Jeff Duhamell said the department has enough ammunition for now, but is considering using paint balls during a two-week training course, during which recruits fire normally fire about 1,000 rounds each.

"It's all based on the demands in Iraq," Duhamell said. "A lot of the companies are trying to keep up with the demands of the war and the demands of training police departments. The price increased too — went up 15 to 20 percent — and they were advising us ... to order as much as you can."

Higher prices are common. In Madison, Wis., police Sgt. Lauri Schwartz said the city spent $40,000 on ammunition in 2004, a figure that rose to $53,000 this year. The department is budgeting for prices 22 percent higher in 2008. In Arkansas, Fort Smith police now pay twice as much as they did last year for 500-round cases of .40-caliber ammunition.

"We really don't have a lot of choices," Cpl. Mikeal Bates said. "In our profession, we have to have it."

The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Mo., directly supplies the military with more than 80 percent of its small-arms ammunition. Production at the factory has more than tripled since 2002, rising from roughly 425 million rounds that year to 1.4 billion rounds in 2006, according to the Joint Munitions Command at the Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois.

Most of the rest of the military's small-arms ammunition comes from Falls Church, Va.-based General Dynamics Corp., which relies partly on subcontractors — some of whom also supply police departments. Right now, their priority is filling the military's orders, said Darren Newsom, general manager of The Hunting Shack in Stevensville, Mont., which ships 250,000 rounds a day as it supplies ammunition to 3,000 police departments nationwide.

"There's just a major shortage on ammo in the U.S. right now," he said, pointing to his current backorder for 2.5 million rounds of .223-caliber ammunition. "It's just terrible."

Police say the .223-caliber rifle round is generally the hardest to find. Even though rounds used by the military are not exactly the same as those sold to police, they are made from the same metals and often using the same equipment.

Alliant Techsystems Inc., which runs the Lake City plant for the Army, also produced more than 5 billion rounds for hunting and police use last year, making the Edina, Minn.-based company the country's largest ammunition manufacturer. Spokesman Bryce Hallowell questioned whether the Iraq war had a direct effect on the ammunition available to police, but said there was no doubt that surging demand was affecting supply.

"We had looked at this and didn't know if it was an anomaly or a long-term trend," Hallowell said. "We started running plants 24/7. Now we think it is long-term, so we're going to build more production capability."

That unrelenting demand for ammunition will continue to put a premium on planning ahead, said Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who so far has kept his department from experiencing any shortage-related problems.

"If we have a problem, I'll go make an issue of it — if I have to go to Washington or the military," Arpaio said. "That is a serious thing ... if you don't have the firepower to protect the public and yourself."


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To: Abathar
Maybe the price of metals has more of the price jump than the war does. All alloys have risen termendously in the last year, I about choked on the price of new brass last time I priced it.

War and the welfare state are inflationary. The Republicans are expanding both.

41 posted on 08/17/2007 12:46:08 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
First, most police departments do not practice enough with their most important tool.

A firearm is their most important tool? Strikes me as kind of odd in a free society.

42 posted on 08/17/2007 12:46:34 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: Abathar
I've got to call BS on this article.

Metal shortages causing prices to go up, sure. Maybe metal shortage translating into shortages of ammo, maybe.

But the article ADMITS that the military gets most of its rounds from a specific manufacturer. How could that affect other, commerical manufacturers? They're not all getting their raw materials from the same sources. And if they are, then they need to be looking for other sources.

I'm wondering about the billion round number. That's a thousand million. Strikes me as awfully high, but I don't know what training requirements are. What about military stockpiles - or have we burned through them already?

43 posted on 08/17/2007 12:46:56 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Wil H

They should be redeployed to Okinawa or Guam.


44 posted on 08/17/2007 12:51:31 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: jim_trent
I'm reloading just about everything except carry ammo and 7.62x39.

If this keeps up, I'm going to start mining the range's berm for lead and casting my own boolets.

45 posted on 08/17/2007 12:52:21 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: Lurker

Anyone shot that M193 SM in their RR AR?

Results?
Comments?
Value?


46 posted on 08/17/2007 12:56:32 PM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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To: AngryJawa

I already do. Have a total of about 1,500lbs of pure lead, monotype, and WW and a couple of dozen moulds. The stockpiled bullets are only jacketed ones.

Don’t have a problem with powder, either. Just hope primers don’t disappear like they did when BillyBoy got the anti-gunowner bills passed between 1992 and 1994. I had a lot in stock, but ran out of one kind.


47 posted on 08/17/2007 12:58:40 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: woollyone
I put a bunch of the mil-surp green tip from Ammoman through my RR AR.

No problems or issues with it.

Like I said above, I've done business with him and have no complaints.

L

48 posted on 08/17/2007 1:01:47 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I could not agree more...thank God for the Honorable John Roberts Court the 2nd Amendment is much stronger...keep our eyes on the dims is only defense from their tyranny...

FR is not a Hate Site it is a Truth Site!

49 posted on 08/17/2007 1:04:27 PM PDT by Turborules
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To: from occupied ga
A firearm is their most important tool? Strikes me as kind of odd in a free society.

I'm sure you think their most important tool is the "Sexual Harassment" manual they carry!

50 posted on 08/17/2007 1:06:50 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: jim_trent

Looks like I need to commence stockpiling components.


51 posted on 08/17/2007 1:24:09 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: Abathar

Just another anti war hit piece. There is no shortage of ammo anywhere except in this ignorant article. Just like the article about the sneakers for guns program in Orlando. They say someone turned in a “semi automatic machine gun”. As rare as those are I’d love to see one. They are all idiots.


52 posted on 08/17/2007 1:33:23 PM PDT by tightwadbob (There is no right way to do the wrong thing. I'm for Fred)
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To: dfwgator

You read my mind :-)


53 posted on 08/17/2007 1:36:16 PM PDT by ushr435
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To: wbill
I've got to call BS on this article.

Call it all you like, but I've purchased over 10K rounds in the last month and can confirm that the availability is scarce and the prices are high.

For example, .308 is over $450/1000 when last year it was around $180/1000. .223 was $140/1000 and now it's about $350/1000.

But the article ADMITS that the military gets most of its rounds from a specific manufacturer. How could that affect other, commerical manufacturers?

My supplier told me that the government had invoked 'emergency' clauses with domestic commercial suppliers requiring them to produce .223/.308 for military use first. Any leftover capacity would be allocated to police needs with the average Joe getting zero.

Surplus ammo supplies have dried up, thanks to several reasons. Clinton-era rules bar the US military from selling surplus ammo to citizens. They literally burn it. By the millions of rounds.

High quality foreign sources of surplus ammo have also disappeared, thanks to UN pressure to signatories of the small arms non-proliferation treaty or some such BS. Quality South African .308 is no longer available, nor is the once realiable stream of surplus from South America.

Right now there is a trickle from Baltic countries, but the squeeze is definitely on.

54 posted on 08/17/2007 1:37:09 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: Abathar
"QUICKNESS ON THE DRAW?"


55 posted on 08/17/2007 1:37:57 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I'm sure you think their most important tool is the "Sexual Harassment" manual they carry.

What is it with you belligerent jerks who immediately personally attack anyone who questions anything you write. Is your ego that big and your intellect that small? Apparently so. I was going to say "computer", asshole

While we're on the topic and since you decided to make this a personal attack. What sort of jackboot licker thinks that the most important task police have is the application of armed force - shooting people?

56 posted on 08/17/2007 1:46:09 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: Abathar

And Women, Minorities and children affected the most.


57 posted on 08/17/2007 1:55:35 PM PDT by JayAr36 (There are no stupid questions, unless asked by a reporter.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Government procurement agencies, expecially in cities have long been corrupt.

If the police are short, a trip to Wal-Mart will fix it, unless the government-cops are to dull to find their way there.

If they know the way there, some corrupt city councilman would rather have dead cops than for said councilman’s idiot brother in law to lose business.

The only thing there is a shortage of in US city government is honesty and integrity. Of that there is a shortage.


58 posted on 08/17/2007 2:01:22 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Abathar
The pinch is blamed on a skyrocketing demand for ammunition that followed the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, driven by the training needs of a military at war, and, ironically, police departments raising their own practice regiments following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

I call BS. 911 was almost 6 years ago. The Afghan and Iraq wars are about 4 years old.

It took less time than this to build up hardware of all types during WW2.

59 posted on 08/17/2007 2:02:24 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: JOAT

I got 800 rounds of 7mm Benchrest from Remington last year. If they are making specialty runs for little old me, I guess they aren’t quite as constipated as they have been letting on.


60 posted on 08/17/2007 2:03:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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