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Divisive debate echoes across U.S. [ILLEGALS]
Star-Telegram Washington Bureau ^ | Aug. 19, 2007 | DAVE MONTGOMERY

Posted on 08/19/2007 10:06:46 AM PDT by Dubya

WASHINGTON -- The debate over illegal immigration has ceased in Congress, but almost nowhere else.

Widespread concerns about the impact of illegal immigration on jobs, social services and national security continues to generate intense rhetoric. And some see a dark side emerging, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century.

"I don't think there's been a time like this in our lifetime," said Doris Meissner of the Migration Policy Institute and former commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. "Even though immigration is always unsettling and somewhat controversial, we haven't had this kind of intensity and widespread, deep-seated anger for almost 100 years."

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of "nativist extremist" organizations fighting illegal immigration has gone from almost zero about five years ago to 144; nine are classified as hate groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan supremacists.

Some senators who participated in the midsummer debate over President Bush's unsuccessful immigration bill said they were barraged with some of the most venomous mail of their congressional careers. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who supported the bill legalizing undocumented immigrants, said he has received death threats.

"It is unbelievable how this has inflamed the American people," McCain said in an speech Thursday at the Aspen Institute in Colorado.

Eighty-three percent of immigrants from Mexico and 79 percent of immigrants from Central America believe that there is growing discrimination against Latin American immigrants in the United States, according to a poll conducted by the Miami-based Bendixen & Associates.

Instead of taking a downturn after the collapse of Bush's immigration overhaul in June, the debate over illegal immigration has seemingly escalated. As prospects for congressional action appeared increasingly in doubt, all 50 states and more than 75 towns and cities considered -- and in many cases enacted -- immigration restrictions, even though the courts thus far have declared such actions unconstitutional intrusions on federal responsibilities.

The slayings of three college students in Newark reignited calls for a clampdown on illegal immigration after the disclosure that one of the suspects, Jose Lachira Carranza, was an illegal immigrant from Peru who was free on bail awaiting trial on assault and child rape charges.

The case revitalized an argument made during the congressional debate that the flow of illegal immigrants, though predominated by job-seekers lured by the prospect of higher wages and better conditions, includes a criminal element.

A coalition of 15 anti-illegal-immigration groups accused Newark's and New Jersey's governments of "negligent complicity" in the deaths through inadequate law enforcement. The protest was organized by Dallas attorney David Marlett.

The Bush administration, in the absence of the sweeping overhaul sought by the president, moved this month to toughen enforcement of existing laws, threatening steeper penalties against employers and more vigorous work-site inspections.


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Pro-immigration demonstrators at a rally outside City Hall in Los Angeles on Saturday. The majority of immigrants from Mexico and Central America believe that discrimination is rising, a poll says.

AP/Reed Saxon

1 posted on 08/19/2007 10:06:47 AM PDT by Dubya
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To: Dubya
Just out of curiosity, the Star-Telegram actually has a Washington Bureau?
2 posted on 08/19/2007 10:08:19 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
Looks like he works for McLatchy..?

Dave Montgomery

I just like to know who I'm dealing with.

3 posted on 08/19/2007 10:10:38 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Dubya
Here we go! Everyone is going to label us as racists now. It's a strategy that brings politicians and everyone else to their knees every time. No one wants to be called a racist.

In fact, it has nothing to do with race, it's about not breaking the law.

The powers-that-be are licking their wounds from this last loss & they are still determined to advance their agenda. We may have won a battle, but we've still got a whole war to fight.

4 posted on 08/19/2007 10:12:52 AM PDT by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter. Seriously.)
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To: Dubya

That people can come to this country illegally and march down our streets shaking their fists at us in a demand for rights is the biggest crime of all.


5 posted on 08/19/2007 10:15:22 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Dubya

No matter where you stand on this immigration issue, the public at large is really getting fed up with iilegals killing, raping and committing other serious crimes against Americans when they could have and should have been deprted.


6 posted on 08/19/2007 10:15:59 AM PDT by umgud
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To: Dubya
a surge of xenophobia

Xenophobia my a$$. 'Illegal alien rights' outrage surge more like it. I don't care if they're from Mars, if they ain't here legally, get the hell out.

7 posted on 08/19/2007 10:16:23 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Dubya
And some see a dark side emerging, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century.

Based on what facts?

who supported the bill legalizing undocumented immigrants

The Socialist slant in this article just by replace undocumented with illegal.

and in many cases enacted -- immigration restrictions,

That's illegal immigration restrictions.
8 posted on 08/19/2007 10:18:11 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: All

Illegal immigrants cross the U.S./Mexico border.

9 posted on 08/19/2007 10:19:51 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: All
Backlash against illegal immigration grows

WASHINGTON — Seven weeks after the collapse of legislation in Congress, the outcry against illegal immigration is louder than ever, manifested by proposed clampdowns at the state and local level and an uproar over the arrest of an undocumented immigrant in the execution-style slayings of three New Jersey college students.

Scores of organizations, ranging from mainstream to fringe groups, are marshalling forces in what former House Speaker Newt Gingrich calls "a war here at home" against illegal immigration, which he says is as important as America’s conflicts being fought overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan.

EXCERPT

10 posted on 08/19/2007 10:21:35 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: umgud

Illegal kills WI teenager then flees

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=648777


11 posted on 08/19/2007 10:21:52 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Dubya
You forgot the "Barf Alert".

Behind this one-sided diatribe and race-baiting yellow journalism is this one fact, and it is a hopeful sign:

"The debate over illegal immigration has ceased in Congress, but almost nowhere else."

People are slowly waking up to this illegal invasion as it spreads into every corner of America. The 40 million illegals (forget the 12-20 million number that has been floated around since the 2000 Census, seven long years ago) are definitely NOT living in the shadows.

The amnesty ploy was an attempt to get this pass the public before they caught on to what was really going on . It failed.

Let's see how many politicians in next year's presidential and congressional races want to campaign on the issue "I support more illegal aliens and amnesty for those already here."

12 posted on 08/19/2007 10:22:25 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Dubya
A coalition of 15 anti-illegal-immigration groups accused Newark's and New Jersey's governments of "negligent complicity" in the deaths through inadequate law enforcement. The protest was organized by Dallas attorney David Marlett.

Accused my ass, the negligent complicity of their dingbat prosecutor is a fact.

13 posted on 08/19/2007 10:23:43 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: alicewonders

You are right. It has NOTHING (zilch, nada, zero) to do with race. I don’t care if they’re Mexican, Honduran, British, Irish, or Martian. It has EVERYTHING to do with LAW. What part of “illegal” don’t they understand?


14 posted on 08/19/2007 10:24:21 AM PDT by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: Dubya

Illegal is not a race. Repeat as needed.


15 posted on 08/19/2007 10:24:42 AM PDT by Bernard (The Fairness Doctrine should be applied to people who follow the rules to come to America legally)
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To: Dubya
"I don't think there's been a time like this in our lifetime," said Doris Meissner of the Migration Policy Institute and former commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service. "Even though immigration is always unsettling and somewhat controversial, we haven't had this kind of intensity and widespread, deep-seated anger for almost 100 years."

I agree. Sort of.

Never have we had 80% of our immigrants, legal or not, come from one culture/race.

Never have we had immigrants, legal or not, march in our streets waving flags from their home countries demanding capitulation from our social structure and institutions.

Never have we had a group of immigrants, legal or not, demand that our government cater to them in their own language.

Never have we had so many groups of people bent on using these immigrants, legal or not, to usurp the laws of our country.

Never have we had millions of illegal aliens invade our country en masse.

Never have we had our vote diluted by the presence of illegals used in counting population and determining representation in D.C.

Never have we had our social services, hospitals and schools systems stretched to the breaking point by illegals who see no need to learn English.

Never have we had our elected officials, so intent on remaining in power, that they have chosen to ignore the needs of the many for the needs of the very few.

Never before have we been told that our patriotism and love for our country is actually a negative to our national psyche.

She is right. Never before has the melting pot been, instead, a smelting pot used to divide us so as to weaken our national spirit in the name of politics.

16 posted on 08/19/2007 10:24:44 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Dubya
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups,...

KEERIST, what next?

17 posted on 08/19/2007 10:26:23 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: raybbr

Good analysis.


18 posted on 08/19/2007 10:27:09 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: Dubya

Sanctuary cities: getting what they deserve!
even if some of the victims didn’t have any clue that voting for Democrats
...or some bad Republicans...that supported santuary city-status was
just the same as signing their own death warrants.


19 posted on 08/19/2007 10:27:43 AM PDT by VOA
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To: processing please hold
Xenophobia ?

I thought that was a musical instrument lol

20 posted on 08/19/2007 10:30:05 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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Immigrants send less cash home as construction slows

Mexican immigrant Margarito Rodriguez hasn’t needed his white, cowboy-shaped hard hat much this summer.

After five weeks without a construction job, he finally found one in mid-July.

“There was not a lot of work,” said Rodriguez, who blamed some of the slowdown on the soggy summer but most of it on a drop in home construction.

Construction has slowed because it has gotten harder for home buyers to get credit in the wake of the meltdown in the subprime mortgage market.

Illegal immigrants, in particular, are bearing the brunt of that slowdown, losing their jobs painting, laying tile and building roofs for new homes, economists said. And with less cash in their pockets, some immigrants such as Rodriguez — who is working on his legal status — are cutting back on the amount they send to relatives in Latin America. That, in turn, has contributed to the first year-over-year monthly declines in remittances to Mexico in 12 years, according to Banco de Mexico.

EXCERPT

21 posted on 08/19/2007 10:30:21 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

Eighty-three percent of immigrants from Mexico and 79 percent of immigrants from Central America believe that there is growing discrimination against Latin American immigrants in the United States

They forgot the word ILLEGAL......again, and if they feel that discriminated against they should go home. They weren’t invited to our party anyway.


22 posted on 08/19/2007 10:32:07 AM PDT by sheana
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To: alicewonders

As an Anti-Illegal Alien supporter I have been called every
name in the book, that is, every name except one, American!
Yes, I am a proud American who resents the wholesale invasion of my country by unwashed, illiterate aliens who take and take our hard-earned tax dollars in free services and give me the middle finger when we speak up against them.
God, how I dream of the day when a real leader emerges, takes charge and kicks every last one of them out!


23 posted on 08/19/2007 10:32:20 AM PDT by Duffboy
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To: Dubya
The debate over illegal immigration ALIENS has ceased in Congress, but almost nowhere else. Widespread concerns about the impact of illegal immigration ALIENS on jobs, social services and national security continues to generate intense rhetoric. And some see a dark side emerging, evident in growing discrimination against Hispanics and a surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration in the early 20th century....

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said the number of "nativist extremist" organizations fighting illegal immigration ALIENS has gone from almost zero.....

Always read "illegal aliens" when reading on this subject. Immigrants are legal. Aliens are not. "Illegal Immigrants" ("immigration") is an oxymoron.

24 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:05 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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To: Bernard
Illegals can be racists... la raza (the race).

LLS

25 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Dubya
Good news. I was afraid that after Bush, Graham, and McCain were sent packing with their tails between their legs, the American people would forget about this issue. The fact that the bleeding heart liberal media whines that we have memories longer than a kid watching Sesame Street means that we've not forgotten what those who would lead us were trying to lead us into.

Whine, bitch and moan, MSM. "Discrimination"??? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

26 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:51 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: sheana
MOST news stories leave out the word "illegal." Actually, I'm not at all against immigrants. But I'm totally against illegal immigrants.
27 posted on 08/19/2007 10:33:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: alicewonders
Here we go! Everyone is going to label us as racists now.

Precisely. A "surge of xenophobia unseen since the last big wave of immigration"; "hate groups"; "'nativist extremist' organizations fighting illegal immigration"...and on and on.

Translation: Everyone who opposes illegal--repeat, illegal--immigration is motivated by evil sentiments.

The author of this Star-Telegram article, Dave Montgomery, is pulling out all the big guns here. The usual ones.

28 posted on 08/19/2007 10:34:46 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Dubya; All

....and in other news......a few of the dead Americans lost THIS week (either killed or being tried) to illegal aliens .....

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2007/08/update-list-of-victims-of-illegal.html
(List here, please add to it if you know of others)

Kernal Rehobson
Dani “D.J.” Countryman, 16

Dashon Harvey, 20
Terrance Aeriel, 18
Iofemi Hightower, 20

Tenesha Williams
S.J. Williams
Xavier Brown, 2

Ben Leonard, 16
Megan Hughes, 22
Jennifer Carter

Martin Ruffin
James Cronin

Paul Watry, 17

Steve Tocco


29 posted on 08/19/2007 10:35:00 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: alicewonders

alicewonders wrote: “In fact, it has nothing to do with race, it’s about not breaking the law.”

Although law is an important aspect, I believe culture is another factor.

See, I don’t want America to turn into Mexico or some other Latin American country. I also wouldn’t want it to turn into Germany, or China, or any other foreign country.

Legal immigration is great, but if the law is the only reason why you don’t want foreigners to immigrate here, the law is easily changed.

In my opinion, legal immigration is great only so long as those who come here adopt the majority culture and do not try to change it to match their home country.

When large numbers of immigrants, legal or otherwise, come here from a single or few countries without assimilating, we are threatening the very culture that made America great and provided the opportunities the immigrants themselves seek.


30 posted on 08/19/2007 10:40:45 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Dubya
"It is unbelievable how this has inflamed the American people," McCain said
No. What's unbelievable is that McStain, coming from Arizona, finds our anger unbelievable.

Ever wonder why your campaign crashed and burned, Juan?

31 posted on 08/19/2007 10:44:06 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Man50D

Using the phrase “undocumented” is Orwellian speak for government’s failure to provide the legal document, while “illegal” places guilt on the individual.

“Of all states that is the worst whose rulers no longer enjoy an authority sufficiently extensive for everyone to obey them with good grace, but in which their authority over a part of their subjects is sufficiently large to enable them to constrain others.” ~~Bertrand de Jouvenal, “Sovereignty”


32 posted on 08/19/2007 10:44:28 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Dubya

I think some of Americas xenophobia and paranoia of non-Americans has abated some. My daily commute this past week yielded a tally of fewer than 50 Mexicans hanging from oaks large and small.

The cross burnings have plummeted to near zero, and the nightly gunplay no longer sounds like Baghdad.

People hare have become jaded and bored with goring or bayonetting practice of illegals, very few are ever disembowled, and I have not seen a head on a pike in at least a month.

So all in all, I think La Raza and other racist anti-American and communist organizations should be quite pleased with the charity most citizens extend to their despicable and anticonstitutional assaults on our freedom.


33 posted on 08/19/2007 10:45:46 AM PDT by petertare (--)
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To: Dubya
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34 posted on 08/19/2007 10:46:06 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: MizSterious
MOST news stories leave out the word "illegal." Actually, I'm not at all against immigrants. But I'm totally against illegal immigrants aliens .

Always read "illegal aliens" when reading on this subject. Immigrants are legal. Aliens are not. "Illegal Immigrants" is an oxymoron.

I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on the expression "illegal immigration". I'd love to wipe it from our heads and replace it with the real issue of "illegal aliens". Thanks for letting me use your comment as a correcting tool.

35 posted on 08/19/2007 10:46:19 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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To: Chode

I get the first three letters. Help this dummy out and fill in the rest so I can adopt this obvious “slam” too. It’s so pretty and I know I will like all of it. : )


36 posted on 08/19/2007 10:50:47 AM PDT by Frwy (Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy.)
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To: mewzilla

He works for the Fort Worth Star Telegram which I am ashamed to say is my hometown newspaper. I don’t know if they are part of the McLatchy group.

He is just trying to stir the pot. Part of the propaganda of the left.

The truth is the illegals are illegals. They are criminals while here in the US. They have no rights as American citizens. They need to go back to their own countries and prove they are worthy citizens there. Why they are not proud of their own countries is beyond me? Why they degrade themselves with pity and shame is also beyond me.


37 posted on 08/19/2007 10:51:09 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Dubya

Target practice, Dubya


38 posted on 08/19/2007 10:52:27 AM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Sounds like it, huh. :)


39 posted on 08/19/2007 10:53:20 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: LibLieSlayer

And government funded to boot.

Insanity.


40 posted on 08/19/2007 10:54:19 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: Dubya
"Even though immigration is always unsettling and somewhat controversial, we haven't had this kind of intensity and widespread, deep-seated anger for almost 100 years."

My response to Ms. Doris Meissner; "This isn't immigration. It's invasion. Immigration is a legal process regulated by a sovereign nation. No matter what you call them, the people you refer to are not immigrants, they are illegal alien invaders not participating in any legal process."

"We, The People", are furious because our country is being invaded by illegal aliens and our government is aiding and abetting the invasion! Ms. Meissner, your comments not only identify you as part of the problem but also quite possibly a traitor aiding the invasion of your country.

41 posted on 08/19/2007 10:55:15 AM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: Dubya
I have been involved with the pro-life cause for years. We have always strongly denounced those fringe elements that bomb clinics and kill abortionists.

Many are involved in fighting against gay marriage, but they uniformly attack the tactics of Fred Phelps and his group of wackos.

Those who attach themselves to the illegal immigration issue and use it as a means to spread a message of hatred of hispanics or other groups should also be denounced. None of these people are friends of the conservative cause.

42 posted on 08/19/2007 10:55:35 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Chode

Ditto!!!!


43 posted on 08/19/2007 10:55:41 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Dubya
Statement: "Divisive debate echoes across U.S. [ILLEGALS]"

Response: A symptom of the underlying sickness, "debate," "Discussion," etc.

44 posted on 08/19/2007 10:56:11 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Frwy

I don’t think you are entirely wrong but you are not entirely correct either. I had a Canadian pastor friend who came here on a vise and then obtained a green card. He was here legally and classfied as a “resident alien.”


45 posted on 08/19/2007 10:59:45 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Dubya

Why is it divisive?


46 posted on 08/19/2007 11:00:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: MizSterious

I think that our legal immigration needs a good looking at.


47 posted on 08/19/2007 11:02:24 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA&NR=1)
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To: samtheman

I agree that McCain’s campaign deserved to tank, but conservatives should uniformly denounce whenever death threats are made against a candidate. Anger is understandable, death threats are not.


48 posted on 08/19/2007 11:04:19 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: CitizenUSA
When large numbers of immigrants, legal or otherwise, come here from a single or few countries without assimilating, we are threatening the very culture that made America great and provided the opportunities the immigrants themselves seek.

This is surely correct. The progressives' faith in "multiculturalism" only masks their deep hatred for American culture: It is said to be "oppressive" and unduly "parochial" to try to "impose our values" upon other cultures.

I am very much in favor of legal immigration--but, as you indicated, with the important stipulation that immigrants should assimilate, rather than declare themselves hyphenated-Americans.

49 posted on 08/19/2007 11:07:17 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: raybbr

“Never have we had 80% of our immigrants, legal or not, come from one culture/race.

Never have we had immigrants, legal or not, march in our streets waving flags from their home countries demanding capitulation from our social structure and institutions.

Never have we had a group of immigrants, legal or not, demand that our government cater to them in their own language.

Never have we had so many groups of people bent on using these immigrants, legal or not, to usurp the laws of our country.

Never have we had millions of illegal aliens invade our country en masse.

Never have we had our vote diluted by the presence of illegals used in counting population and determining representation in D.C.

Never have we had our social services, hospitals and schools systems stretched to the breaking point by illegals who see no need to learn English.

Never have we had our elected officials, so intent on remaining in power, that they have chosen to ignore the needs of the many for the needs of the very few.

Never before have we been told that our patriotism and love for our country is actually a negative to our national psyche.

She is right. Never before has the melting pot been, instead, a smelting pot used to divide us so as to weaken our national spirit in the name of politics.

You nailed it, but it won’t end up in the paper or television.


50 posted on 08/19/2007 11:22:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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