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FairTax supporters show up at Iowa Democratic debate
Americans For Fair Taxation ^ | August 22, 2007

Posted on 08/22/2007 4:51:55 PM PDT by Man50D

Dear FairTax supporters,

Members of the FairTax team, along with the FairTax bus, made their way to the ABC News Democratic debate this past Sunday at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa. Not only were we able to discuss the FairTax (again) with the national media, but just as importantly, we approached several of the Democratic candidates and their staffs in an effort to get our economic team in front of them in the coming weeks. I am thrilled to report that several of the campaigns agreed to take us up on our offer, and we should be meeting with them shortly.

While the response we received at the Democratic debate was extremely positive, we have to recognize that we have much work ahead to continue educating the candidates that the FairTax is an issue that can help unite our country. Remember, when Senators Clinton, Dodd, Biden or Obama, Governor Richardson, former Senators Gravel or Edwards, or Representative Kucinich make their way to a campaign stop near you, please take the time to educate them and their staff on the merits of the FairTax.

We will keep you posted on the progress we make with these promised briefings and our concerted effort to make the FairTax part of the Democratic presidential campaign.

Thank you for your continued support. I hope that you are as excited as we are here in Houston at the national exposure the FairTax is beginning to earn. Now is the time to double our efforts and aggressively recruit new members to help make passage of the FairTax a reality.

Warmest regards,





David C. Polyansky Chief Operating Officer


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KEYWORDS: fairtax; ia2008; taxes
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1 posted on 08/22/2007 4:51:56 PM PDT by Man50D
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To: ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; PhilWill; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; ...

Fair Tax ping!


2 posted on 08/22/2007 4:52:28 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

Good news. This country desperately needs a new tax plan. Any candidate who does not support the fair-tax cannot possibly be a conservative; and therefore, doesn’t deserve our support.


3 posted on 08/22/2007 4:58:07 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Arcy
I am a FairTax supporter, but I would not make it a litmus test for conservative/liberal. Dick Armey and Steve Forbes were for a Flat tax, which would be a huge improvement over the current system, however not as good as the FairTax.
4 posted on 08/22/2007 5:04:32 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Arcy
Seeing the libs pretend to like this speaks to the power the voters have over them.

The only thing most pols value over the power they wield after being elected is being re-elected.

5 posted on 08/22/2007 5:14:43 PM PDT by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

As long as you are forced to file private information (1040) you are a slave. The Fair Tax is the only way out.


6 posted on 08/22/2007 5:38:17 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Man50D

FairTax bump.

http://www.fairtax.org


7 posted on 08/22/2007 5:43:28 PM PDT by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
As long as you are forced to file private information (1040) you are a slave. The Fair Tax is the only way out.

H.R.25

Fair Tax Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)

`SEC. 903. WAGES TO BE REPORTED TO SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.


8 posted on 08/22/2007 5:53:25 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

If the principle implicit in your statement is...”if someone has knowledge about my personal behavior it enslaves me to them.” then may we presume that irrespective of how much the so-called FairTax takes, you will not feel enslaved, because you believe it involves no personal knowledge about you (except your buying habits, how much you spend, where you spend it, when you spend it)?


9 posted on 08/22/2007 5:57:32 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

You you saying they will not allow cash in the Fair Tax system? Interesting.


10 posted on 08/22/2007 6:15:36 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Are you saying........sorry can’t type well


11 posted on 08/22/2007 6:16:21 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: lewislynn

Here’s an interesting question: what would the government’s response be if an employer failed to report such information and the employee did not object? All it would mean is that the employee would not accumulate SS benefits, which would save the government that future liability.

For example, if the FairTax were adopted, and I as a small business owner did not report any income to the SSA, would the government care? Regardless of what system of taxation we have, I think I have better odds of winning the lottery than ever collecting anything from Social Security, and I don’t even play the lottery. I certainly don’t want senior citizen welfare, nor do I base any financial planning on receiving any of it. I can’t imagine the government auditing anyone to force them to become eligible for a potential future transfer payment; I certainly wouldn’t worry about filling out whatever forms they may develop for such a purpose.

I realize from other threads that you are opposed to such reforms. But don’t you think that under the FairTax, SS would become essentially a voluntary system, since there are no longer taxes supposedly collected specifically for SS?


12 posted on 08/22/2007 6:57:08 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Man50D

Mike Gravel already supports the Fair Tax, and he’s the only Democratic Presidential candidate to do so.


13 posted on 08/22/2007 7:00:09 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Principled
Seeing the libs pretend to like this speaks to the power the voters have over them.

The only thing most pols value over the power they wield after being elected is being re-elected.


It illustrates the saying politicians don't lead , they follow. Put enough pressure on them and they will eventually realize they either support what their constituents support or lose their jobs.
14 posted on 08/22/2007 7:11:01 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Turbopilot
What if's are fun aren't they...The Fairtax is full of them.
But don’t you think that under the FairTax, SS would become essentially a voluntary system, since there are no longer taxes supposedly collected specifically for SS?
Fair Tax Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)

`SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.

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Dream on...That's the real reason your earnings have to be reported.
15 posted on 08/22/2007 7:21:34 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Turbopilot
I realize from other threads that you are opposed to such reforms.
I'm opposed to the Fairtax, not reform. And one of the reasons is because of giving bureaucrats at SS the power to tax without a debate or a vote or oversight.
16 posted on 08/22/2007 7:26:22 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn

Interesting. So the total tax rate collected is based on what would formerly be wages subject to SS tax? I can see that being something that could (and should) be modified in the future.

That being said, any individual who failed to report wages for purposes of SS calculations would only be forfeiting their own “benefits” and I doubt that the government would come down on anyone just for the purpose of adding that individual’s income to the aggregate of the millions of people whose wages determine the “SS portion” of the FairTax, especially considering that the nonreporters would be ineligible to collect any SS payments.

Having said that, I acknowledge the possibility that you have found an issue with the FairTax that could use some adjustment. But it seems to me that rather than recommending a tweak to make the FairTax even fairer, you want to throw out the entire idea and stick with a system that right now, every day, punishes people for earning money, or even attempting to do so. Playing with the various income tax rates in the current system is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Why are you so opposed to fundamental reform just because there are a few issues that could possibly be adjusted to better serve the people?

On a side note, I don’t want to look like I didn’t respond to your second post. I hate it when people post multiple responses to a single post, because it makes it difficult to respond to each of their points and without doing so it looks like one has no response to subsequent posts. But when you say that you are not opposed to reform, I think you have an obligation to state just which reforms you support, and why those reforms are superior to the reforms already out on the table.


17 posted on 08/22/2007 8:02:31 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot
I think you have an obligation to state just which reforms you support,
Maybe the right one hasn't come along yet but I know it isn't the Fairtax... Funny thing is not only do I not care what you think but I also don't feel obligated at all. Nor do I think you have an obligation to respond to any of my posts to you...even multiple ones.
18 posted on 08/22/2007 8:19:45 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Turbopilot
That being said, any individual who failed to report wages for purposes of SS calculations would only be forfeiting their own “benefits” and I doubt that the government would come down on anyone just for the purpose of adding that individual’s income to the aggregate of the millions of people whose wages determine the “SS portion” of the FairTax, especially considering that the nonreporters would be ineligible to collect any SS payments.
There's no logic in your wishful thinking. You can apologize for the flaws or play all the games you want but the law isn't asking you or your employer to report your earnings it's telling you to.

That's the beauty of the Fairtax. You can pick and choose the parts you want to comply with?

19 posted on 08/22/2007 8:27:21 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

See tagline.


20 posted on 08/22/2007 8:29:41 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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