Posted on 08/24/2007 1:35:24 PM PDT by neverdem
(URBANA)---Some people in Champaign County are afraid their guns will be taken away. That's why pro-gun advocates are trying to get a resolution passed that would promise the 2nd amendment would be protected. People say they feel Chicago and Cook County is trying to run the rest of the state of Illinois. That's because Cook County put a gun ban into effect this past February on long guns, like rifles and shotguns. The ban says people can't even have the guns in their own home. Some people in Champaign County feel that's unconstitutional, and they went to the county board meeting Thursday night to speak up before the ban moves south.
"I don't understand how one county can do that to their citizens." Says Guns Rights Advocate Valinda Rowe "Then turn around and try to do it to the rest of the state. We've got to take a stand."
They did try and take that stand as around a dozen people spoke at the meeting, urging county board members to pass a resolution, saying Cook County's ban is unconstitutional. They'll have to wait though, because the board tabled the issue.
29 counties in the state have already passed an anti-gun ban resolution, people at the meeting hope Champaign County becomes the 30th to do so.
LOL. I know you're incoherent on the drug war threads, but on the gun threads too?
can’t stand their cooked politicians....Rahm Emmanual?
One of Clintons...phonies...hell with Illinois...JK
Some folks and states think they can. Some argue that the Supreme Court has to make a decision to incorporate the various amendments of the Constitution in order to make the amendments apply to the states. This legal mumbo jumbo seems to have occured after the 14th Amendment. Their argument was that the U.S. Constitution and its amendments restricted only the federal gov't, and that the states can do as they please. Folks who believe in this line of reasoning are usually statists, e.g. Giuliani.
“Sooooo glad I live in Mississippi..
You guys need to fight this. Where is the NRA?”
The NRA can only do so much even with our memberships and dues. We, meaning non Illinois residents as well, need to fight this through letters, emails, boycots and education.
a) No person shall manufacture, sell, offer or display for sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any assault weapon or large capacity magazine. This subsection shall not apply to:
(1) the sale or transfer to, or possession by any officer, agent, or employee of Cook County or any other municipality or state or of the United States, members of the armed forces of the United States; or the organized militia of this or any other state; or peace officers to the extent that any such person named in this subsection is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess an assault weapon and/or large capacity magazine and does so while acting within the scope of his or her duties; “>>>
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Reading this suggests that any group desiring legally to own the proscribed weapons need only to organize itself as a citizen’s militia. Kinda like group insurance to get the best rates and health care!
I will do some digging into where the money comes from in IL.
Rural(western)Illinois seemed like it was a great and productive place — 100 years ago. Except for Catapiller. But true there are less useless people per square mile in the sticks, but still a lot of ‘um.
The street goblins don't care one way or the other what's banned and the old dem machine has the citizens under their thumb.
Regards,
GtG
Absolutely!!!!
Is anyone here old enough to remember the late 70's and early 80's when the fedgov was trying to convince us that we needed to live closer together in urban areas because it was easier on municipal utilities (while they raised out taxes [rent] of course)?
They purposely drove segments of our population into dense population districts in order to "take care" of us...and guess who fell for it?
It wasn't freedom lovers. Look what its got them (or us depending on your perspective).
I'll take it a step further. The modern American left would gladly turn this entire country into a concentration camp, as long as they got to be the guards.
There isn't a single state with some rancid urban megalopolis that can't say that. Pennsylvania, Washington State, California, New York, Massachusetts.......... Theres a lesson there somewhere.
Some of the statements about Cook County are not quite correct. The ban permits ownership of long guns, including shotguns, but is very restrictive. For instance most of my hunting shotguns and rifles are acceptable but anything with more than a 5-round magazine or a pistol grip is not allowed. Neither are “military-style” weapons.
As mentioned above, my over/under and semi-auto Berettas are allowed in Chicago and Cook County but I had to sell my carbines. I would not be allowed to own a 12 gauge turkey gun with a pistol grip. How this affects crime or the reduction of crime is beyond me.
All of the above being said, none of the new laws re: gun control is going to do anything but take away guns from law-abiding citizens.
Really? Seen the price of corn and beans lately?
I do not believe that that is true.
Every large metropolitan area seems to be undergoing "urban decay". There is constant pressure on state and federal governments to provide additional aid to large cities.
I believe that the problem is two pronged. First, cities demand more expenditures for services and infrastructure then suburban or rural areas. Secondly, the "rotting from the core outward" that affects cities results in an ever declining tax base as the well and not-so-well to do exit for the suburbs. The end result is that large cities are not self sufficient and become a drain on the rest of their home state.
I know this to be true in Wisconsin and Michigan, I suspect it is true for New York and Chicago. I have no idea what goes on on the left coast but suspect the proposition I have stated herein may be in fact an underlying truth of economics. Cities die from the inside out as the flow of legitimate commerce moves from the core to the adjacent surroundings.
Regards,
GtG
“The second amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with state laws.”
I assume then that you would have no problem with a state, say California, deciding that medicinal marijuana is legal and the Feds should have nothing to say about it.
Or does this only work for issues you are in favor of?
LOL! Thanks for the toon.
Perhaps I should clarify. I didn't mean, "in your opinion". I meant "according to the courts".
12Gauge,
You mean to tell me that you let a gov't bully you into selling guns that they decided they didn't like?
I am diappointed in you!
I know there are threads on here about the "art of the cache".
Also how do they know you own them? Registration?
You couldn't have had a 'terrible boating accident" or sent them to some one outside of Cook?
Don't mean to preach but DAYUM!
Haz
It's not that state laws trump the Bill of Rights. It's that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states -- or it didn't used to. And, many states DID restrict speech and the press and some had state sponsored (and state funded) religions.
Even today, the 2nd and 3rd Amendments, the grand jury indictment clause of the 5th Amendment, and the 7th Amendment do not apply to the states.
"So STFU."
Perhaps you should follow your own advice so you don't embarrass yourself again with your ignorance of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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