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Third Party Myths; or, Why You'd Be Nuts to Leave the GOP
TheVanguard.org ^ | April 16, 2002 | Rod D. Martin

Posted on 08/25/2007 5:45:03 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance

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To: RJL

” Having said that, Christians should vote Republican”

That looks like a D. I agree. I pick D and E.


41 posted on 08/25/2007 6:26:32 PM PDT by gcruse (Let's strike Iran while it's hot.)
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To: stylin19a

Clinton was also elected due to a third-party candidate. Thanks, Ross and all those who foolishly voted for him.


42 posted on 08/25/2007 6:26:33 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; DARCPRYNCE; mysterio; EternalVigilance; pierstroll; ...

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The Pledge I’d Like to See Every Political Candidate Take

I, ________________________________________, upon signing this document, do hereby swear and affirm under penalty of forfeiture of office and wages, that I shall:

1.) Make no public statement which demeans, denigrates, or defames any active member, unit, or branch of the U.S. armed services, or the military as a whole, except in cases where an individual soldier or group of soldiers has been tried and convicted of committing a criminal offense or offenses.

2.) Never draft, endorse by signature or vote, or lend support in some other way to any piece of legislation that affords illegal immigrants any legal rights other than basic human rights, or extends to them any employment opportunities within the United States, or public services other than emergency medical assistance.

3.) Publicly advance the proposition that the international body known as the United Nations is irredeemably corrupt, increasingly hostile toward the United States and the cause of liberty throughout the world, and, furthermore, call for our government to immediately disassociate itself from that organization.

4.) Publicly challenge conspicuously unConstitutional decisions by any Justice or Justices of the Supreme Court, and, furthermore, call for the immediate removal of same from the federal bench, on grounds of bad behavior 1, whenever their rulings are particularly egregious in nature (e.g. Kelo v. New London 2, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld 3).

5.) Publicly denounce as treasonous the efforts of the New York Times Company, and its associated corporate entities, to expose classified U.S. government secrets to our nation’s enemies during a time of war, and, furthermore, call for the criminal indictment of same by the U.S. Department of Justice.

6.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which provides for a small percentage of the Social Security fund to be returned to the American citizenry for the purpose of creating tax-free personal retirement accounts.

7.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which immunizes our federal government, as well as all state governments (where applicable *) from legal challenges concerning the use of the word God in: a.) our national motto as it appears on U.S. currency, b.) our common Pledge of Allegiance, c.) any oath taken in a court of law * d.) any oath of public office, * e.) the various phrases exhibited on or in all manner of public structures. *

8.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which protects the right of all American citizens to own property which is exempt from confiscation by the federal government, or any state or local government, undertaken for reasons other than to provide for publicly-funded, critical aspects of our nation’s infrastructure.

9.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which guarantees the right of all American citizens to receive indefinitely any and all life-sustaining medical treatments and therapies, including basic hydration and nourishment dispensing, upon any event which leaves them seriously injured and unable to express their will, in the absence of any written, signed, and notarized expression of their desire not to receive such care under the aforementioned circumstances.

10.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which affords all American citizens of modest income the ability to enroll their children in private educational institutions, via a federal school voucher program.

11.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which prohibits every state government in the Union from denying any American citizen over 17 years of age, who has not been convicted of a felony, the right to keep and bear arms for any reason he or she deems appropriate.

12.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which declares English to be the official language of the United States, and directs that no other language shall be used in the administration of the federal government’s internal, day-to-day business by any department or office thereof, for any reason whatsoever.

13.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which calls for a dramatic increase in the exploration, drilling, and refining of domestic oil reserves by American companies, as well as an equally dramatic increase in federal funding for the development of alternative energy sources.

14.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which calls for the construction of a security fence along the entire U.S.-Mexican border, and the deployment to both the southern and northern U.S. borders of National Guard divisions numbering at least 20,000 troops each.

15.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which calls for the replacement of our current income tax system with either a flat tax or a national sales tax on goods and services, such as the ‘’Fair Tax’’ 4 proposed by Congressman John Linder and talk radio host Neal Boortz.

16.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which incorporates a free market-based model for U.S. healthcare reform similar to, if not exactly like, the one developed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich 5, 6.

17.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which calls for a perpetually balanced federal budget, allowing for exceptions during times of extreme military conflict, when achieving such may not always be feasible.

18.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which requires all voters seeking to participate in a federal election to provide photographic identification to poll administrators prior to voting.

19.) Do everything in my power to advance legislation which affirms that all non-uniformed, unlawful, enemy combatants, and non-signatories to the four treaties known collectively as the Geneva Conventions 7, are not subject to the protections thereof, and that any finding to the contrary by any court, be it foreign or domestic, is to be resolutely rejected as irrational and illegitimate.

20.) Never speak disparagingly of the United States of America in a public place, or to any news agency, while traveling abroad, regardless of the nature of the trip.

References:

1 http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiii.html 2 http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html 3 http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-6696.ZS.html 4 http://boortz.com/more/fairtax.html 5 http://www.healthtransformation.net/about/Strategies 6 rtsp://stream1.unctv.org:554/webdev/eiforum/feb2005/eif_020705_part03_5.rm?cloakport=80,554,7070 7 http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/prisonerwar.htm

Edward L. Daley is the Founder of the Conservative Convention 2007 Project http://cc2007.us

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43 posted on 08/25/2007 6:27:30 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: cripplecreek

You obviously didn’t read the article.


44 posted on 08/25/2007 6:27:37 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: RJL
Christians should vote Republican

Why?

45 posted on 08/25/2007 6:28:24 PM PDT by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Decrease our dependence on foreign oil by producing more of our own and building refineries.


46 posted on 08/25/2007 6:29:55 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: donna

Membership agreement:

Applicant: Joe Lieberman
Applying for membership in the Grand Old Party.

Rule one (must be initialed by applicant): I the undersigned, freely and of my own volition, agree that I must adopt a pro-life position as a condition of my membership.

(initial here) ...........

:)

So he gets accused of flip-flopping.

I can deal with that. We should make the effort.


47 posted on 08/25/2007 6:30:07 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Communist China: Walmart's answer to that pesky 13th Amendment.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“Thanks, Ross and all those who foolishly voted for him.’

You’re welcome. GHWB blew it by raising taxes after promising not to, then by taking for granted his huge popularity numbers following Desert Storm when he delegated his re-election campaign to George Schultz, who had little interest in it. A most uninspiring candidate, he did not deserve a second term.


48 posted on 08/25/2007 6:33:03 PM PDT by gcruse (Let's strike Iran while it's hot.)
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To: donna

You at least have a chance with Republicans—there is NO chance with Democrats.


49 posted on 08/25/2007 6:33:16 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: gcruse

You like Clinton better?


50 posted on 08/25/2007 6:34:07 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Not leaving the GOP... just ain’t votin’ for Ruby Julie-Annie...


51 posted on 08/25/2007 6:36:03 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: stylin19a
The REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS A 3rd PARTY! Born in 1854..became a national party in 1856

With possible exception of 1854 election, the Republicans were never a third party.

In 1854 the "second party," the Whigs, were disintegrating. By 1856 they were pretty well out of the picture, leaving the Republicans as the real "second party."

In the process of formation, the Republicans absorbed most northern Whigs, a good many northern Democrats, and many members from the simultaneously disintegrating Free Soil and American (Know-Nothing) parties, which were actual third (and fourth) parties.

The only real thing the party had in common was opposition to continued dominance by the "slave power" and to the expansion of slavery.

If you want to start a successful third party, you'll need an equivalently potent issue to stir people up. I don't see any such issue out there, and since the last time the stirring occurred it led to civil war, that's ok with me.

52 posted on 08/25/2007 6:38:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Scratch a liberal, find a dhimmi)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

As I recall, no Dems really wanted to run against GHWB, who was seen as unbeatable. Clinton took it almost as a lark. The race was Bush’s to lose, which he proceeded to do.

Remember Bush’s recession? We laughed about its L-shaped recovery. There was little reason to vote for him.


53 posted on 08/25/2007 6:38:41 PM PDT by gcruse (Let's strike Iran while it's hot.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Until we get a system for runoff elections, unless we want to keep surrendering to RATS, we must hang together. I despise RATS more than I despise any Republican.

I won't vote for Julie-Annie... If the RNC hacks in D.C. don't get a clue, they are toast...

I will vote for my gun cabinet first...

54 posted on 08/25/2007 6:39:11 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I totally agree, but the whole thing, far as I can tell, is on borrowed time. We need some sort of a voters’ bill of rights, including runoff elections and several other kinds of things.


55 posted on 08/25/2007 6:41:25 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: Sherman Logan

If you want to start a successful third party, you’ll need an equivalently potent issue to stir people up. I don’t see any such issue out there,...

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(knocks on display)

¿Hola?


56 posted on 08/25/2007 6:41:48 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Communist China: Walmart's answer to that pesky 13th Amendment.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Again, you didn't read the article.

Rudy truly is the lesser of two evils. This is the alternative.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886588/posts?page=16

57 posted on 08/25/2007 6:43:28 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: stylin19a
Lincoln elected 1860, with less than 40% of the vote in a 4 party race.

Thus illustrating the futility of third parties. Over 60% of the voters were opposed to Lincoln, but split between two opposed factions of Democrats and a true third party (which promptly disappeared never to be seen again), they just shot themselves in the foot.

58 posted on 08/25/2007 6:44:28 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Scratch a liberal, find a dhimmi)
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To: Sherman Logan; LS

ping


59 posted on 08/25/2007 6:44:46 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Thanbks...Freepers are the greatest....


60 posted on 08/25/2007 6:45:47 PM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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