Posted on 08/26/2007 2:08:11 PM PDT by wyowolf
not much consensus, three different articles stating totally opposite views...
How many terrorist attacks has US had on its soil AFTER it launched war on Iraq ?
How many terrorist attacks did India have after it overthrew its Hindu right wing, elected a muslim as its president and publicly asserted that India belongs FIRST and FOREMOST to muslims ?
Inference: US policy is right. India’s weak-kneed policy will only bring further ruin of her own people and economy.
And whats wrong with Israel ? It is under constant threat of terror, but those people are willing to fight terrorism rather than surrender. The price of freedom they pay is extreme, but it is a noble and honorable way to live. India’s official state policy of appeasing terrorists and turning the other cheek to terrorism, will keep devaluing the lives of her own citizens in future.
You are repeating the same illogical points.
US doesnt live in the same neighbourhood as India does.
You cannot compare those 2 situations.
Ya, dont believe some of our touchy fellow Indians, who dont want to admit the truth - India itself is to blame for what happened, particularly our official state policy of apathy.
You are just making excuses for the criminal incompetence of Indian govt and its reluctance to pursue any course of action in the wake of terrorism.
By this “bad neighborhood” argument, you imply that just because India has Pakistan and Bangladesh as neighbors, there is no other way but get at least 3000 people murdered by them each and every year.
Its this kind of defeatist attitude that will ultimately ruin India.
Iraqis are killing each other. Foreigners are killing Indians.
Its shameful to note that Indians are currently the easiest people to kill on this planet..
Your jingoism and penchant for blaming the govt of India is quite obvious. Terrorist attacks happen in various parts of the world even when those countries have good neighbourhoods. So are those govts criminally negligent?
So many of these govts in Europe for e.g dont even extradite criminals who are wanted in India. Are these attitudes “hard” on Crime? These are the very govts who harbor criminals and plead the Indian govt to stop the practice of Death penalty because they consider it inhuman.
Stop the jingoism and put some perpective in your head.
I dont think they have a state policy... its funny cause all the Indians I know are totally opposite to what the gov says and does...
More Perspective from TOI today...
Band-aid state
29 Aug 2007, 1130 hrs IST,Tarun Vijay
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Bombs are deadly. They suddenly blast and even before you could know what has hit you, your body would be scattered all around in a hundred pieces. You may be having fun at a local food joint or preparing to solemnise marriage the next morning. Everything goes off in a second. Marriages turn into mourning and the enquiries are ordered.
That’s the system requirement. A democratic state needs enquiry reports.
But bombs do not arrive uninvited. They are invited and sheltered and facilitated. The biggest facilitation comes from the state apparatus through the creation of an atmosphere where blasts become a routine affair so much so that people stop counting or reacting to them. The blasts, the condemnations, the expressions of deep sorrows and the steel resolves –’not to be cowed down by such dastardly acts’ become so standardised like the cyclostyled copies of the municipal payment receipts we used to see in childhood days, that nobody read.
Yet they are kept as sacred documents, readily producible in future if asked –did you pay your bills? Yes, sir. So if someone would ask our worthy leaders what did you do when your people were killed, they would smartly produce the newspaper cuttings – we condemned the incident in strongest words. Band-aid solutions. Never eliminating the cause of the hurt, never finding the permanent solutions. Just a first-aid and the matter ends like an ill-equipped public hospital treating a wounded pedestrian.
Do we remember how many of them have occurred so far? Jammu, Gandhi Nagar, Varanasi, Bangalore, Delhi, again Delhi and yet again....Hyderabad, Kolkata, Imphal, Guwahati, Coimbatore...
The one who did it in Delhi was condemned to death penalty by the Supreme Court but secular politicians wanted him to be set free. The other, a rogue politician himself, caught for the Coimbatore blasts was felicitated in a public function by the entire cabinet of a state government run by the Leftists, with the home minister in the lead, when the accused was freed on technical grounds, mainly because the state apparatus that was supposed to present proof of his involvement in the bloody incident ‘failed’ to do so. Have you ever heard a state cabinet felicitating a soldier’s family who gave his life for defending India?
A Taslima is attacked and the victim herself is booked for the ‘instigation’ like a rape victim in Pakistan being accused of ‘instigating’ rapists to commit the act! A party in power, which takes decisions calculating an electoral win and safety of political power rather than the lives of people it is supposed to rule and protect, would even go to the extent of hobnobbing with the anti-nationals to secure their support for staying afloat in governance.
The Muslim League (ML), under Jinnah’s leadership, was responsible for India’s division and the subsequent massacres. Post-Independence, ML survived, though it was a political pariah like the Communist party and Lenin’s memory had become in Russia. It was helped revive by the Left parties in Kerala to get Muslim votes and the first district based on a religious group’s majority, a Muslim one, was created and named Mallapuram in the late fifties. Now, for the first time in our post-Independence history, the UPA invited ML to join the central government. Parties which would show no qualms in hating any group with a Hindu tag or inclination, go an extra mile to accommodate a communal Muslim party which didn’t think to change its name after its condemnable role in the nation’s partition. Suppose the Hindu Mahasabha, which was against Partition, was revived by Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh, saying it’s a different party now, would any of them be allowed to join the mainstream?
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here is the full Link...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tarun_Vijay_Band-aid_state/articleshow/2319094.cms
ya, good article. But other than being cynical about India, the common thinking man can do nothing much since his right to franchise is destroyed by the vast mob of illiterates who keep electing the same goons over and over again. The political system is rotten to the core. Even if he wants to vote, the choice is always between the devil and the deep sea.
If you have time, try to read a book called “The pathology of Corruption” by a well meaning ex-bureaucrat SS Gill. Will give you a chance to laugh at or pity the worlds largest “democracy”.
You wont find the kind of self styled “leaders” anywhere in the world like you find in India. There are likes of whom that would put Imelda Marcos look like an innocent school girl.
The kind of Indian people you meet in the west are the educated ones. If their souls are not yet corrupted by the immorality of communism and if they are still “fresh off the boat”, they still retain some good elements of Indian culture - willingness to work hard and a passion for doing the right thing.
Even if they have some form of religious and caste prejudices inside of them, they at least know some reasons why India should not elect mobsters and terrorist supporters as their rulers. That is because they know what happened in Hyderabad, Bombay, Delhi.. a few years back in Kargil, etc.
Even if their lives are consumed by materialistic pursuits, they still want to do the right thing but cant help feeling powerless, since their right to franchise is dwarfed by the rest of the illiterate idiots.
My wife is a Tamil, I met her in Hyderabad in 2000. She is from Chennai where her family still lives. I know, I have talked to her folks at length about indian politics, and your right corrpution there is just incredible, i dont even know how they really could change it... its in nearly every facet of gov...
I recently sat near a dinner table with a group of businessmen from Mumbai.Very patriotic,well intentioned bunch as far as India is concerned.They said India will achieve immense progress by 2020 even with all the corruption & infrastructural deficiencies provided......
a war doesn’t break out.That seems to be the overwhelming feeling amongst many who think that they have a stake in the new economy.
How much sucess has Israel had with respect to stopping funding of Hamas & Islamic Jihad-which comes from the likes of the UAE & Saudi Arabia(both US allies).It’s easy to go after the likes of the Palis & Hizbollah,because they are non-entities who are a pain in everyone’s rear-end.
Like it or not,India doesn’t have America’s blessings to take on the Pakis-the onus of escalation rests with the Pakis.The last time Vajpayee tried to hit them,the US navy parked itself in the Arabian Sea & the US state dept issued travel advisories,which led to the stock markets plummeting.
About the US example,well how easy is it for a terrorist(most likely to be Arab or North African or maybe from the subcontinent) to sneak into the US without suspicion & then go about planning & implementing a strike.The fact is that Racial differences work in the favour of US agencies.Not so back in India.The only way you can identify a Muslim at a checkpoint is probably by unzipping him.You’d probably have to unzip a huge number of Muslims too-that will piss off a LOT of people,which will in effect kill anti-terrorism measures for a full decade.
America’s population is about a 3rd of India’s,but it has almost 2.5 policemen for a thousand people.India has barely one.That makes policing & intelligence gathering a far more difficult affair.Even if political will,vision & policy all gel together,it will take a decade at the least to see results on a large scale in India.
I doubt if speculation by a few self-declared business men is a good indicator of “immense progress in future”.
Probably not.But people like them have a huge stake on the stock markets.
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