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Debating Ron Paul
National Ledger ^ | Aug 29, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 08/29/2007 4:59:22 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

Ron Paul supporters are fast making a name for themselves on the web. Not because they are just web savvy, but because they have proven themselves to be the best at hacking on-line polls, invalidating conservative polling data on behalf of their candidate. It seems that even Democrat 527 MoveOn.org is now onboard the Ron Paul anti-war train.

Despite the fact that presidential candidate Ron Paul can not score better than 3% in any legitimate national poll, his supporters claim he is “the conservative” candidate to beat in the 2008 Republican race for the White House. Despite his less than conservative voting record in congress and his Teddy Kennedy like position on the war on terror in Iraq, his supporters think he is the most “conservative” candidate in the race. How?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: binladensboy; daviddukespresident; isolationism; liberalism; libertarians; nationalsecurity; nutburger; paulbearers; paulestinians; ronnutters; rupaul
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To: rlmorel
“HAVE YOU EVER READ THE CONSTITUTION?”

I sometimes wonder if Paul has read the whole Constitution.. he picks and chooses things that he agrees with and ignores other things..

41 posted on 08/29/2007 5:55:50 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul- The candidate of David Duke, StormFront, 911Truthers, Code Pink, and Wild Shrimp)
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To: Martins kid
Have some coffee and read the article BEFORE posting - okay?

Why should I break with tradition now?

42 posted on 08/29/2007 5:55:57 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: laotzu
If libertarians are foolish enough to follow MoveOn.org types to slaughter, then true “conservatives” have an obligation to slaughter away...

Libertarians make two fatal errors in judgment and they set themselves upon the chopping block.

Fatal Error # 1 - They fail to comprehend that liberal social policies cause liberal social spending, which causes the never ending growth of a nanny state. They hate the growth and the spending, but support the policies that cause it all.

Fatal error # 2 - They think that the rules of international engagement established in 1776 will still protect and defend America in 2008. In 1776, army’s moved into position by clipper ship and horse drawn carriage, they marched in lockstep wearing bright red uniforms carrying single shot muskets and their nations flag. In 2007, they wear no uniform, carry no flag, scatter in the shadows and can take out an entire city and millions of civilians before anyone can see them coming.

Foolish is as foolish does...

Ron Paul and his supporters are following the lead of Kennedy, Sheehan and Fonda, not the founders.

Those of us who know better have an obligation to call a spade a spade...

43 posted on 08/29/2007 5:57:01 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Martins kid
“Now try explaining why any Republicans support him? When you are through studying the views of his supporters, you will find that they have two common values, a strong anti-war isolationist view of world events and a deep love of their money.

From having some discussions with some here, beyond those who are just rabble rousers, most are so desperate for a return to pure Constitutional values, they latch on to anyone talking about it.. basically, they've been duped. There are two others here who are pretty rabid Paul supports that have a different reason. One admitted he worked for and was trained by Paul's campaign and another said he is close friends with Paul.

44 posted on 08/29/2007 5:58:04 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul- The candidate of David Duke, StormFront, 911Truthers, Code Pink, and Wild Shrimp)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
hacking on-line polls

Evidence for this libelous assertion...?

45 posted on 08/29/2007 5:58:30 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: rlmorel

AMEN!


46 posted on 08/29/2007 5:59:40 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I’ll second that!


47 posted on 08/29/2007 6:00:13 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: FreeInWV
I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I agree with many of them. For one, he speaks far more about the constitution and limited government than any of the other candidates.

The people who genuinely prefer some other candidate need to get their preferred choice to take a strong position on rolling back Big Government, so he can earn the votes.

Let's listen in on their efforts toward that end....

[cricket]

[gust of wind]

[owl]

[another cricket]

48 posted on 08/29/2007 6:01:00 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Oberon

It’s just a little while longer til Fred officially announces, and everyone forgets about RuPaul.


49 posted on 08/29/2007 6:02:09 AM PDT by End Times Crusader (Ron Paul - candidate of choice for truthers, jihadists, antisemites, druggies, and nutters)
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To: David Isaac

Anyone half-right is also half-wrong...


50 posted on 08/29/2007 6:02:09 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Martins kid
They do not look beyond the agenda to reduce or eliminate taxes

Democratic Underground called. They want their talking point back.

51 posted on 08/29/2007 6:04:59 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE MOST COMPLETE AND CONCISE ARTICLE I HAVE SEEN ON RON PAUL. RON PAUL SUPPORTERS SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
52 posted on 08/29/2007 6:05:35 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: steve-b

Anyone looking can find the evidence right here on FR... Try looking...


53 posted on 08/29/2007 6:07:23 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Voted NO on restricting independent grassroots political committees. (Apr 2006) - Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002) - Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads.

Since the author is opposed to freedom of speech, then in the interest of consistency he should take down his website forthwith.

54 posted on 08/29/2007 6:08:31 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Thanks!


55 posted on 08/29/2007 6:08:44 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Hokay, pointer to posts where JimRob or one of his designated agents references a hacking attack against FR...?


56 posted on 08/29/2007 6:09:50 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: steve-b

Who said “against FR”?

The subject is the spamming of on-line polls. Look and ye shall find.... I’m not doing your homework for you. You say you are interested in knowing facts and want the evidence. It’s out there, go get it...


57 posted on 08/29/2007 6:13:52 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

“Anyone half-right is also half-wrong...”

Based on that statement, I have narrowed my list of possible GOP candidates to one, see tagline.


58 posted on 08/29/2007 6:26:16 AM PDT by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: David Isaac

I hear ya.... LOL


59 posted on 08/29/2007 6:27:47 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Oberon

When I tune in Air America on my morning drive in to work and they are talking about how they LIKE RON PAUL, I gotta wonder how much a “conservative agenda” he actually has.

And for those wondering why Air America - at 4:30am its about the only thing on except for infomercials, and its always good for a laugh.


60 posted on 08/29/2007 6:29:56 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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