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Don’t Bomb, Bomb Iran - For now, we should avoid a smoking Tehran.
National Review Online ^ | August 31, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 09/01/2007 12:33:03 AM PDT by neverdem







Don’t Bomb, Bomb Iran
For now, we should avoid a smoking Tehran.

By Victor Davis Hanson

There’s been ever more talk on Iran. President Bush — worried about both Americans being killed by Iranian mines in Iraq, and Tehran’s progress toward uranium enrichment — is ratcheting up the rhetoric.

But so mirabile dictu is French president Nicolas Sarkozy. He suddenly, in the eleventh hour of the crisis, reminds the world that bombing Iran is still very possible (and he doesn’t specify by whom):

An Iran with nuclear arms is, to me, unacceptable, and I am weighing my words…And I underline France's full determination to support the alliance's current policy of increasing sanctions, but also to remain open if Iran makes the choice to fulfill its obligations. This policy is the only one that will allow us to escape an alternative, which I consider to be catastrophic. Which alternative? An Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran.

Note especially the French president’s reference to “us” and the logic of his syllogism: Iran can’t and won’t have the bomb; one catastrophic remedy is bombing; therefore someone must increase sanctions or someone will bomb Iran, as the least bad of two awful alternatives. He can say all that — without the global hatred that George Bush would incur had he said half that.

Mohamed Ahmadinejad is still ranting, but with more a sense of false braggadocio than ever: Iran will inherit the mantel of Middle East hegemony; America is running from Iraq; our policies have already failed in Iraq — blah, blah, blah.

So what exactly is the status of the crisis?

Recall the current U.S. policy — which, I think, so far remains bipartisan except for a few unhinged calls for full diplomatic engagement with this murderous regime:

Show the world that Americans tried the European route with the EU3 (Britain, France, German) negotiations that have so far failed; let the U.N. jawbone (so what?); help Iranian dissidents and democratic reformers; keep trying to stabilize Iran’s reforming neighbors in Afghanistan and Iraq; persuade Russia, China, and India to cooperate in ostracizing Iran; galvanize global financial institutions to isolate the Iranian economy; apprise the world that an Iranian nuclear device is unacceptable — and hope all that pressure works before the theocrats have enough enriched uranium to get a bomb and, as Persian nationalists, win back public approval inside Iran.

The degree to which Iran has neared completion of bomb-making will determine to what degree all of the above has hurt, helped, or had no effect.



But there are subtle indications that U.S. policy is slowly working, and that a strike now on Iran would be a grave mistake, in every strategic and political sense — not to mention the humanitarian one of harming a populace that may well soon prove to be the most pro-Western in the region.

It is surreal, after all, that a French president would confess that Iran getting the bomb is “unacceptable.” Sarkozy seems to recognize that a nuclear Iran won’t be happy with bullying neighboring oil producers and carving up Iraq, but will be soon blackmailing Europe on issues from trade to war.

So finally a French leader seems to allow that if the Europeans would just cease all financial relations with Teheran, freeze their assets, and stop sending them everything from sniper rifles to machine tools, then the crippled regime would start to stagger even more. And because France has been the most obstructionist in the past to U.S. efforts in the Middle East, its mere rhetoric is nearly beyond belief.

We have no leverage with China and Russia, of course. Their general foreign policy is reactive, based on the principle that anything that disturbs the United States and diverts its attention is de facto a positive development — excepting perhaps having another nuclear nut in Asia to go alongside North Korea and Pakistan.

Still, the recent humiliating disclosures about China’s 19th-century “Jungle”-type industry, and the growing anger at what Mr. Sarkozy called Russia’s “brutality,” show that neither country has earned much respect, and that either could pull in its horns a bit concerning Iran, with deft Western diplomacy.

There are other symptoms of progress. The Sadr brigades have purportedly announced a cessation of military operations — no doubt, because they are losing the sectarian kill-fest. But it may also be because Shiite animosity against them is growing. Perhaps too they are learning that Iran’s interest in Iraq is not always theirs, but simply fomenting violence of any kind that persuades the U.S. military to leave, including arming their enemies, both Sunni and Shiite.

Every Shiite gangster should note that Iran’s envisioned future is not one of coequal mafias, but rather a mere concession in the south that takes orders from the real bosses in the north. The jury is still out on whether it is true that Arab Shiites are Shiites first, and Arabs second or third. But at some point someone will start to figure out that Iran also gave arms and aid to al Qaeda to kill Iraqi Shiites.

No one knows quite what is going on in Iraq. Yet news that the surge is working and that violence is declining is also bad news for Tehran. Its worst nightmare is that Sunni tribes are no longer aping al Qaeda, but helping Americans. That will only turn attention back to Iranian-back killers. Meanwhile Sunni masters in the region — arming themselves to the teeth — are reminding their kindred Iraqi tribesmen that Iran, not America, is the real enemy of the Arab world.

And what is our stance? The United States calmly continues to arrest and “detain” Iranian agents inside Iraq — acts, of course, that enrage a kidnapping Iran.
Apparently the only thing galling to an Iranian hostage-taker is the very idea that someone else would try such a thing openly and publicly and within the bounds of the rules of war. And by labeling the Revolutionary Guards Corps a terrorist organization, the United States is finally institutionalizing what the world already knows: Iran is a criminal state whose government and terrorists are one and the same.

There is also the ever-present, ever-unreliable news out of Iran itself of gas rationing, strikes, and a deteriorating economy. If all that good for us/bad for them news is true — with oil prices still sky-high, and sanctions as yet weak and porous — then it suggests that should financial ostracism be stepped up and become really punitive, and oil recede in price by even a few dollars, the regime would face widespread disobedience.

It would help things if Western elites started seeing Iran as Darfur. Teheran has butchered thousands of its own, kills the innocent in Iraq, and has stated that it would like to see the equivalent of a second Holocaust — all surely some grounds for at least a dig from Bono or a frown from Brad Pitt.

It doesn’t help Ahmadinejad that his supposedly successful, rocket-propelled proxy war against Israel a year ago, not only was not followed up by a round-two jihad this season, but seems on careful autopsy to have been a costly blunder that nearly destroyed the infrastructure of his southern Lebanese allies. No Iranian in gas line wants to learn that his scrimping went to pay for rebuilding the atomized apartment buildings of Arabs in Lebanon.

The oddest development of all is Iranian outrage at the U.N. — a sentiment almost impossible to entertain for any such corrupt, anti-American regime. But Iran’s chief delegate to the International Atomic Energy Agency, Ali-Ashgar Soltanieh, keeps screaming about international monitoring. He threatens this and that, which can only mean Iran fears the global humiliation of having inspectors expose the fact that puritanical, live-by-Koran clerics are serial liars.

Of course, there is no reason yet to believe that Iran’s megalomaniac plans are stalled. There is much less reason to think that the world is galvanizing fast or furiously enough against the loony Ahmadinejad. But there are some positive signs that Iran is not nearly as strong as it thinks, and the general winds of the world are blowing against it, ever so slowly — and thanks in large part to careful U.S. policy and the innately self-destructive tendencies of Iranian theocracy.

Note that the loud Democratic 2008 candidates have ceased calling for direct talks with Iran (the inexperienced Obama, the exception proving the rule). They can offer no policy other than the present one. For all the dangers, the spectacle of Ahmadinejad has been a great gift to the Western world — loudly embodying, in its raw, pure form, the evil which Iranian theocracy inevitably produces.

So we should continue with the present path — and not bomb or have surrogates bomb Iran. That option is still down the road. For as long as it is possible, the best-case scenario is not a smoking Iran, but a humiliated theocracy that slowly implodes before the world, displaying in their disgrace what the mullahs did to themselves — and perhaps a small reminder of those helpful shoves from us.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.



TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; nukes; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 09/01/2007 12:33:09 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Tolik

VDH ping


2 posted on 09/01/2007 12:35:10 AM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Hanson may have it right on this one.


3 posted on 09/01/2007 1:18:28 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: neverdem

VDH defending Euro-style “soft power”...


4 posted on 09/01/2007 1:43:04 AM PDT by joseph20
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To: neverdem
No one knows quite what is going on in Iraq. Yet news that the surge is working and that violence is declining is also bad news for Tehran. Its worst nightmare is that Sunni tribes are no longer aping al Qaeda, but helping Americans. That will only turn attention back to Iranian-back killers. Meanwhile Sunni masters in the region — arming themselves to the teeth — are reminding their kindred Iraqi tribesmen that Iran, not America, is the real enemy of the Arab world.

It would be wonderful to avoid another all out military intervention. If Iraq can pacify itself with our aid, the attention will be focused on Tehran. There will be far more pressure on it's government for their abysmal failures. There will be no outlet for their fanatic's violence and their secularists have just about had it with the current government's oppression. I mean, imagine a gas producing nation where you can't buy gas? Way to go, ahmadinejad...loser.

The author nails the point on the problem with foreign fighters. If Iranian soldiers can't infiltrate into Iraqi society to cause terror because the locals are no longer hostile, those locals are going to have time to remember who their tribal enemies are. they are going to look over the border. Iran will have "an insurgency" of it's own to deal with.

A weakened Tehran will be ill equipped to resist it's secularists. They may last a while, but not too long. The potential to topple Tehran with it's own secularist population grows with each success in Iraq.

Then it would fall to those who reside in the 21st century in Iran to bring the rest of the country with them.

The possibility of undoing all of Democrat Jimmy Carter's damage after all these years is too great to resist.

5 posted on 09/01/2007 1:51:38 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
The possibility of undoing all of Democrat Jimmy Carter's damage after all these years is too great to resist.

It would be a great day when the mistakes of 4 years of Jimah Carter are finally corrected.

Too bad it'll take 30+ years to do it....

6 posted on 09/01/2007 2:11:12 AM PDT by dirtbiker (I'm a liberal's worst nightmare: a redneck with a pickup, a library card, and a concel carry permit)
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To: All

http://www.truthusa.com/IRAN.html
http://memritv.org/subject/en/121.htm


7 posted on 09/01/2007 2:45:39 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Bob J

And then again he may not.


8 posted on 09/01/2007 2:49:15 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: Bob J
Hanson may have it right on this one.

If his strategy proves wrong... the price is nuclear IED's... instead of formed IED's. The question comes down to either fighting on your terms... or responding to theirs.

9 posted on 09/01/2007 3:49:20 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: neverdem

We desperately need a “night of fire.”

Nuke Mecca, Damascus, Teheran, and Pyongyang simultaneously.

Nuke them. It’s the only way to be sure.


10 posted on 09/01/2007 4:13:28 AM PDT by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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To: johnny7
The question comes down to either fighting on your terms... or responding to theirs.

Spot on!

11 posted on 09/01/2007 4:25:31 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Made in China: Treat those three words like a warning label)
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To: Terabitten
“Nuke them. It’s the only way to be sure.”

Well, it could very well come to that. But personally, I am in favor of just watching and waiting for awhile. I have no doubt that Iran will eventually build a nuclear bomb and a delivery system to boot. However, Europe and Israel will be within Iran’s reach much sooner than the U.S. So, why not let the Euro’s do their talk, talk, talk for awhile and then once they’ve been nuked, let’s see how they respond. But, then again, we all know that the Israelis will never allow Iran to progress to the point of having an operational nuclear device much less a delivery system for it. So, the Euro’s will stay safe and contiue with their talk, talk, talk...

12 posted on 09/01/2007 4:58:09 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: neverdem

“So we should continue with the present path — and not bomb or have surrogates bomb Iran. That option is still down the road. For as long as it is possible, the best-case scenario is not a smoking Iran, but a humiliated theocracy that slowly implodes before the world, displaying in their disgrace what the mullahs did to themselves — and perhaps a small reminder of those helpful shoves from us.”

Well...this is the optimistic view of developments. Revolution didn’t happen in Iraq despite far worse pressure.

The pessimistic view is that the pressure will result in further crackdowns in Iran, and the need for an enemy, and then a war. You see, a an enemy and a war unites the populace like nothing else (well, except here in the States, where the propaganda machine is running counter to policy). If all of Iran’s nuclear enrichment is known (not clear) and Iran isn’t obtaining material or bombs elsewhere (not clear), Iran might not have a nuke for a year or more. Once Iran does have the bomb, all bets are off.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best. I personally still expect bombs to drop in Iran within a year or so. Airstrikes could cripple Iran, and especially its military, to the point where it’d be years recovering. How many billions in damage can the US armed forces inflict in a day? I hope it can be done with minimal loss of life, or that the Iranian people have a revolution first.


13 posted on 09/01/2007 5:10:44 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: neverdem

” a strike now on Iran would be a grave mistake”

Yes. Ahmadinajad is far less than 100% approved of by Iranians, but that percentage would increase if the United States made itself a common enemy of the diverse forces in Iran.


14 posted on 09/01/2007 5:59:57 AM PDT by RoadTest (And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. -John 8:32)
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To: neverdem

If it was anyone else but VDH I would call it peace mongering but he has clearly thought this out - -as usual.


15 posted on 09/01/2007 6:05:48 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
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To: neverdem
Ummmmmm.... errrrr.. a couple of viable alternatives?!?

1. UAV's over the Iraqi/Iranian frontier....

2. Checkpoints on the major ingress roads...

3. "Hellfire" for all Irianian jihadis and IED smugglers...

My personal favorite...

Enough fleet air activity and flying near Iranian airspace to provoke their air FARCE into the air...
-- A little AMRAAM action....
With their Tomcats burning on the desert floor -- thank you for TV coverage...

And this is over in one afternoon!

If they don't want to play ball with their nuclear gamesmanship after these strong signals and incited actions...

Conventional strikes on their facilities will be a fairly easy acocmplishment...

16 posted on 09/01/2007 7:48:22 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Terabitten

Unless the regions mentioned are forever closed to contributing to the global tax base that won’t be happening.


17 posted on 09/01/2007 7:50:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: JackRyanCIA

That’s a line from “Aliens”.


19 posted on 09/01/2007 9:29:13 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: neverdem

Amadjihad wants nukes? We should air deliver them. Hit them before they hit us. Anyone ever play football before? Isn't it better to hit them before they hit you? Walter Peyton was one of the greatest running backs in the league. Defenders will tell you that when necessary, Walter would hit them before they hit him. He had power in his legs to drive through a defender. We have the power to drive through our enemy and we should do it before they have the power to do it to us.

Listen to Amandjihad's rhetoric. He is begging for it. Let's accommodate.

PS: If we are negotiating, I say nuke him to be sure. In reality, I would be happy with a successful bombing mission and/or the liberation of Iran. Don't tell anyone though.

20 posted on 09/01/2007 9:33:19 AM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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