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Not even teachers can speak English
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | September 1, 2007

Posted on 09/01/2007 4:13:43 AM PDT by Man50D

An official state inspection of Arizona public schools reveals that many students are being taught English by Spanish-speaking teachers whose command of English is so poor that the officials can barely understand them.

The recent inspection revealed teachers providing instruction in Spanish instead of the legally required English, students unable to answer questions in English, and teachers' instructions such as "Sometimes, you are not gonna know some."

The results of the inspections were reported by the Arizona Republic, which concluded hundreds of students in the state are trying to learn English from teachers who don't know the language.

The inspections found teachers who are unable to use English grammar and cannot pronounce English words. The "You are not gonna know" comment came from a Mesa teacher instructing a classroom filled with students trying to learn English.

From a Casa Grande Elementary District teacher came, "read me first how it was before," and a Phoenix teacher at Creighton Elementary asked, "If you have problems, to who are you going to ask?"

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To: toluene

My daughter in law had a bilingual spanish teaching job in CA. She was smart and good, but she lost the job because they finally found a Hispanic to work instead. Of course she was fluent in Mexican and Spanish..but she was Anglo.
My son and daughter then moved overseas to teach.


21 posted on 09/01/2007 6:22:29 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: rovenstinez
For what it’s worth, I was in Mexico City on the metro yesterday, and tried to listen to the kiddos talk, it wouldn’t pass any litmus test of the Real Academia Language Art of Madrid Spain, it was street lingo, and quite regional slang to the riff raff of Mexico City. Try riding in a taxi and understand the code words they use in Mexico.

From what I've heard from others (I don't speak Spanish), many of the recent Hispanic immigrants to the U.S. are fluent in neither English nor Spanish. I'd guess their Spanish is the street lingo you mentioned.

I visited Mexico City many years ago. Even then the poverty was incredible. Miles and miles of slums. I imagine it's much worse today.

22 posted on 09/01/2007 6:31:26 AM PDT by stillonaroll (Rudy: pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun)
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To: rovenstinez

You’re kidding right? Have you ever heard a Spaniard pronounce the “Z” sound...with the “th” sound. They have butchered their own language. It sounds like everyone speaks with a lisp over there.


23 posted on 09/01/2007 6:37:26 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Man50D
Maybe this is why George Bush has such a hard time with the English language--he learned it from some Mexican who couldn't speak it herself.
24 posted on 09/01/2007 6:41:37 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kimberly GG
AND CERTAINLY NO MORE CFR Presidents!!!

Just for the record, I understand Bush is not a member of the CFR. Newtie however, is.

25 posted on 09/01/2007 6:45:27 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: johnny7

Snow my yob.


26 posted on 09/01/2007 7:45:10 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
“I doan make chainch eeder... ”
27 posted on 09/01/2007 7:49:43 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: stillonaroll

There was a case here where a judge got in big trouble because he ordered a Mexican national to learn English or she wouldn’t get her child back; the court had tried every available translator they could locate and not one spoke her dialect.

The judge barely escaped with his skin, the kid was returned to his certain poor future and the woman was never able to comply with the coourt ruling.

She just sort of dropped off the radar.

Nashville, Tn has seen the numbers of illegal immigrant newcomers more than double each decade for the last 25 years.


28 posted on 09/01/2007 7:53:37 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Ajnin

29 posted on 09/01/2007 7:54:01 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: rovenstinez
''My Fair Lady'' was the musical adaptation of George Bernard Shaw's ''Pygmalion'', and the premise of the show s essentially that which you describe (Shaw did not have Eliza Dootlittle meet the queen (George V was king when he wrote the play, I believe), just be introduced into 'high society').

Shaw, it should be noted, was a language crank. He once wrote an entire essay on the desirability of dropping silent letters. The final 'b' in 'bomb' was his particular bete noire; he went so far as to ''calculate'' the national ''saving'' of time if the final 'b' were to be dropped.

30 posted on 09/01/2007 7:58:46 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Man50D

31 posted on 09/01/2007 8:07:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: kittymyrib
it appears that few children in New Orleans can speak English either. Their dialect was unintelligible.

I used to supervise a call center for a Canadian company. They had two call centers; one in Denver and one in Vancouver, BC. The Vancouver call center took calls from Canada while the Denver call center took calls from the USA.

In time, they developed the cost-saving software to enable both call centers to take calls from both countries. We had a high percentage of callers who not only spoke ebonics, but spoke the "Dirty South" dialect of ebonics and the Canadians who answered their calls simply could not understand a single word they were saying! Those of us taking calls in America were a little bit more familiar with this dialect but those poor Canadians didn't have a clue! They were always transferring these callers to our call center hoping that an American might be able to better help them out.

32 posted on 09/01/2007 8:07:47 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Man50D

same thing has happened in Texas with ‘BI-Lingual” teachers. In a study of Houston teachers a few years ago it was found that over 30% couldn’t speak English at all.

I know for a fact that in one school district in San Antonio they used to hide the non-English speaking teachers in the teachers lounge when State education inspection teams came around.

I don’t know how these people get hired, but it’s obvious they are shortchanging the students they ‘teach’.


33 posted on 09/01/2007 8:13:08 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: rovenstinez

GREAT point. One problem is that many of the kids flooding our schools don’t know Spanish either. They end up being illerate in two languages. Anecdote: More than forty years ago I taught math in high school in the Rio Grande Valley. Seventy -five percent of the kids were Mexican; three of the teachers were Mexican, and Spanish was not allowed to be spoken in the halls. The kids were as fluent in English was other high school kids I taught in Texas, since the poor students had dropped out by that time. But the story: One of the Spanish teacher in high school was a Mexican. She told me that her classes would be flooded with Mexicans kids who wanted an easy “A”. Invariably the best student in her classes would be some studious Anglo-girl. The Mexicans kids THOUGHT they knew Spanish; what they knew was very bad Spanish, or just Tex-Mex. The bummers learned to avid her classes and take Spanish from the Anglo teachers, who was most impressed with their ability to pronouce Spanish words and overlooked their lousy grammar and vocabulary.

IAC. my view is that bilingual instruction is bad. It takes a very high degree of culture IN THE FAMILY for a child not to be harmed by having to speak in two languages. A language is the vessel of a culture, and when the cultures
are different, a child must finally come down on one side or another. The schools are hiring teachers who speak poor English and mediocre Spanish. The result is confusion.


34 posted on 09/01/2007 8:15:31 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Man50D

35 posted on 09/01/2007 8:19:11 AM PDT by Gritty (English as the nation’s official language is not a big deal to me-John McCain, GOP Debate, 06/05/07)
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To: Man50D

The problem is that many, if not most, who speak Spanish do not want to learn English and they have a desire to force Spanish on the U.S.

They will never speak English fluently unless it is forced on them.


36 posted on 09/01/2007 8:20:56 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: RightWhale
"Learn to read and write Spanish and retain your advantage over the illegals."

Yes, reading and writing in your mother toungue is critical.

If you can't read and write in your mother tongue, you will not learn a second language fluently.

37 posted on 09/01/2007 8:22:35 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: rovenstinez
Oye, Chilango! No me friegas con tu hablazo!

Still, the De Efes are more educated than the folks streaming across the border. Next, we'll need to learn Nauhuatl.

Joan

38 posted on 09/01/2007 8:23:10 AM PDT by JoanVarga
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To: Darkwolf377
I have a relative who is so pathetically stupid I am always stunned she can even function. She went to college as an adult and is teaching public school in Florida.

Do they have some kind of degree plan/work program for illiterates there?

39 posted on 09/01/2007 8:23:40 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Rudy, Mayor of Sanctuary City)
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To: Man50D

Oh come on now. I took Statistics from a Panamanian Professor at Florida State and could not understand a word he said from the beginning of the class. This is nothing new. My experience happened in 1987 and I have had friends who had similiar experiences at their universities. I am sure everyone here can give a horror story about this. We might be going a bit overboard here.


40 posted on 09/01/2007 8:28:32 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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