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Posted on 09/01/2007 4:13:43 AM PDT by Man50D
My daughter in law had a bilingual spanish teaching job in CA. She was smart and good, but she lost the job because they finally found a Hispanic to work instead. Of course she was fluent in Mexican and Spanish..but she was Anglo.
My son and daughter then moved overseas to teach.
From what I've heard from others (I don't speak Spanish), many of the recent Hispanic immigrants to the U.S. are fluent in neither English nor Spanish. I'd guess their Spanish is the street lingo you mentioned.
I visited Mexico City many years ago. Even then the poverty was incredible. Miles and miles of slums. I imagine it's much worse today.
You’re kidding right? Have you ever heard a Spaniard pronounce the “Z” sound...with the “th” sound. They have butchered their own language. It sounds like everyone speaks with a lisp over there.
Just for the record, I understand Bush is not a member of the CFR. Newtie however, is.
Snow my yob.
There was a case here where a judge got in big trouble because he ordered a Mexican national to learn English or she wouldn’t get her child back; the court had tried every available translator they could locate and not one spoke her dialect.
The judge barely escaped with his skin, the kid was returned to his certain poor future and the woman was never able to comply with the coourt ruling.
She just sort of dropped off the radar.
Nashville, Tn has seen the numbers of illegal immigrant newcomers more than double each decade for the last 25 years.
Learn to read and write Spanish and retain your advantage over the illegals.
Shaw, it should be noted, was a language crank. He once wrote an entire essay on the desirability of dropping silent letters. The final 'b' in 'bomb' was his particular bete noire; he went so far as to ''calculate'' the national ''saving'' of time if the final 'b' were to be dropped.
I used to supervise a call center for a Canadian company. They had two call centers; one in Denver and one in Vancouver, BC. The Vancouver call center took calls from Canada while the Denver call center took calls from the USA.
In time, they developed the cost-saving software to enable both call centers to take calls from both countries. We had a high percentage of callers who not only spoke ebonics, but spoke the "Dirty South" dialect of ebonics and the Canadians who answered their calls simply could not understand a single word they were saying! Those of us taking calls in America were a little bit more familiar with this dialect but those poor Canadians didn't have a clue! They were always transferring these callers to our call center hoping that an American might be able to better help them out.
same thing has happened in Texas with ‘BI-Lingual” teachers. In a study of Houston teachers a few years ago it was found that over 30% couldn’t speak English at all.
I know for a fact that in one school district in San Antonio they used to hide the non-English speaking teachers in the teachers lounge when State education inspection teams came around.
I don’t know how these people get hired, but it’s obvious they are shortchanging the students they ‘teach’.
GREAT point. One problem is that many of the kids flooding our schools don’t know Spanish either. They end up being illerate in two languages. Anecdote: More than forty years ago I taught math in high school in the Rio Grande Valley. Seventy -five percent of the kids were Mexican; three of the teachers were Mexican, and Spanish was not allowed to be spoken in the halls. The kids were as fluent in English was other high school kids I taught in Texas, since the poor students had dropped out by that time. But the story: One of the Spanish teacher in high school was a Mexican. She told me that her classes would be flooded with Mexicans kids who wanted an easy “A”. Invariably the best student in her classes would be some studious Anglo-girl. The Mexicans kids THOUGHT they knew Spanish; what they knew was very bad Spanish, or just Tex-Mex. The bummers learned to avid her classes and take Spanish from the Anglo teachers, who was most impressed with their ability to pronouce Spanish words and overlooked their lousy grammar and vocabulary.
IAC. my view is that bilingual instruction is bad. It takes a very high degree of culture IN THE FAMILY for a child not to be harmed by having to speak in two languages. A language is the vessel of a culture, and when the cultures
are different, a child must finally come down on one side or another. The schools are hiring teachers who speak poor English and mediocre Spanish. The result is confusion.
The problem is that many, if not most, who speak Spanish do not want to learn English and they have a desire to force Spanish on the U.S.
They will never speak English fluently unless it is forced on them.
Yes, reading and writing in your mother toungue is critical.
If you can't read and write in your mother tongue, you will not learn a second language fluently.
Still, the De Efes are more educated than the folks streaming across the border. Next, we'll need to learn Nauhuatl.
Do they have some kind of degree plan/work program for illiterates there?
Oh come on now. I took Statistics from a Panamanian Professor at Florida State and could not understand a word he said from the beginning of the class. This is nothing new. My experience happened in 1987 and I have had friends who had similiar experiences at their universities. I am sure everyone here can give a horror story about this. We might be going a bit overboard here.
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