Posted on 09/02/2007 9:22:17 AM PDT by Louisiana 1776
Mary Mostert Mary Mostert September 1, 2007
There are only two people on the planet earth who really know what actually happened in the Minneapolis Airport men's restroom in June — Senator Larry Craig and Sgt. David Karsnia. One of them is lying, but so far only Sen. Craig has been tagged as the liar. However, now that we have the transcript of the police interview, it appears not only to me but to others that it isn't the Senator who is the problem here. Sgt. Karsnia seemed absolutely determined to try to take down the Senator.
Another point that makes me think it is not Sen. Craig who is lying is that he is 62 years old and well known. Homosexuals that prowl public toilets looking for sex with strangers, as Sen. Craig is accused of doing, simply do not live to be 62 and don't prowl where they could be easily recognized. The average life expectancy of a homosexual male in the USA is 41. However, homosexuals who prowl public bathrooms usually have hundreds of sex partners and die long before they reach the age of sixty. The famous Aids Memorial Quilt, the history of the San Francisco homosexual community and several medical studies indicate the life expectancy of people who do what Sen. Craig is accused of doing, i.e. soliciting homosexual sex from strangers, is 35.7 to 39 years.
A number of my readers have observed that they have serious doubts about it being Sen. Craig being the liar after learning a little bit about Sgt. David Karsnia by reading my last article, Airport Toilets, Suitcases, Homosexual Signals and the Law, and the transcripts of Karsnia's statement and interview with the senator.
One suggestion, from a 22 year police veteran, was to require David Karsnia to take a polygraph. He tells me that if Karsnia refused to take a polygraph, he would be dismissed from his job. Karsnia's fourth sentence in the interview transcript was:
"I can bring you to jail."
Senator Craig's response was "Don't do that. You solicited me."
Karsnia not only did not refute Craig's statement, he responded, "Okay. We're going to get, We're going to get into that."
He didn't ever come back to Senator Craig's charge that Karsnia, who was not in uniform, had solicited him. The police interview quickly deteriorated into an argument as to whether or not Senator Craig had used his left hand or his right hand when, he said, he picked up a piece of paper, and when, Karsnia said he put his hand under the stall wall. That discussion was as follows:
LC: I remember reaching down once. There was a piece of toilet paper back behind me and picking it up.
DK: Okay. Was your was your palm down or up when you were doing that?
This was followed by a discussion in which Karsnia claimed "it's hard to describe here on tape but actually what I saw was your fingers come underneath the stalls, you're actually touching the bottom of the stall divider." Sen. Craig responded that he didn't recall that and didn't believe he did that. That was followed by the following exchange:
DK: I saw, I saw
LC: I don't do those things.
DK: I saw your left hand and I could see the gold wedding ring when it when it went across. I could see that. On your left hand, I could see that.
LC: Wait a moment, my left hand was over here.
DK: I saw there's a...
LC: My right hand was next to you.
DK: I could tell it with my ah, I could tell it was your left hand because your thumb was positioned in a faceward motion. Your thumb was on this side, not on this side.
LC: Well, we can dispute that. I'm not going to fight you in court and I, I reached down with my right hand to pick up the paper.
DK: But I'm telling you that I could see that so I know that's your left hand. Also I could see a gold ring on this finger, so that's obvious it was the left hand.
LC: Yeah, okay. My left hand was in the direct opposite of the stall from you.
Karsnia then asked the Senator "You, you travel through here frequently correct?" Craig said he did, Then Karsnia asked:
DK: Have you been successful in these bathrooms here before?
LC: I go to that bathroom regularly
DK I mean for any type of other activities.
LC: No. Absolutely not. I don't seek activity in bathrooms.
DK: It's embarrassing.
LC: Well it's embarrassing for both.. I'm not gonna fight you.
DK: I know you're not going to fight me. But that's not the point. I would respect you and I still respect you. I don't disrespect you but I'm disrespected right now and I'm not trying to act like I have all kinds of power or anything, but you're sitting here lying to a police officer What Karsnia did at that point was to accuse Sen. Craig of lying because he refused to "confess" to doing something he claims he did not do. Karsnia then tried to browbeat him into making the "confession" he was demanding:
DK: I am trained in this and I know what I am doing. And I say you put your hand under there and you're going to sit there and...
LC: I admit I put my hand down.
DK: You put your hand and rubbed it on the bottom of the stall with your left hand.
LC: No. Wait a moment.
DK: And I, I'm not dumb, you can say I don't recall...
LC: If I had turned sideways, that was the only way I could get my left hand over there.
DK: it's not that hard for me to reach. (inaudible) it's not that hard. I see it happen every day out here now.
LC: (inaudible) you do. All right.
DK: I just, I just, I guess, I guess I'm gonna say I'm just disappointed in you sir. I'm just really am. I expect this from the guy that we get out of the hood. I mean, people vote for you.
LC: Yes, they do. (inaudible)
DK: unbelievable, unbelievable.
LC: I'm a respectable person and I don't do these kinds of...
DK: And (inaudible) respect right now though
LC: But I didn't use my left hand.
DK I thought that you...
LC: I reached down with my right hand like this to pick up a piece of paper.
DK: Was your gold ring on your right hand at anytime today.
LC: Of course not, try to get it off, look at it.
DK: Okay. Then it was your left hand, I saw it with my own eyes.
LC: All right, you saw something that didn't happen.
DK: Embarrassing, embarrassing. No wonder why we're going down the tubes.
This smacks of a political arrest by Karsnia. Karsnia repeatedly reveals utter contempt for Senator Craig — ending with what is really a disparaging crack about the people who voted for him in Idaho. If this was an isolated incident, we might think Karsnia was just having a bad day. However, the abuse of violinist Stephen Orsak by Karsnia and two other Minneapolis Airport Policemen and the "not guilty" decision of a judge and jury when Orsnak took them to court makes me think there is something that needs investigating in good old liberal Minneapolis.
Don’t u just love these posters who don’t know when it’s over.
Anyone know the Cop’s political party???
“might just have tapped his foot to act silly, or because he was tipsy”
Or because his leg was falling asleep. I tap my feet all the time when I’m bored, because sitting still in a boring place is, well, boring. When I first heard about this I thought it was a caught in the act type deal, and had some heated words for Senator Craig... Now I’m not so sure. What’s done is done, but it bothers me to think a politicians career could be ended so easily.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/14008460/detail.html
Really? Do people really pick up toilet paper from a public restroom floor?
If they’re the ones who dropped it.
Very interesting question. We in Minnesota are apparently paying police officers to wait in bathrooms for hand signals?
Exactly.
Let's say that this lying hypocrite is actually telling the truth - anybody with no better personal hygiene practices that would pick a piece of toilet paper off the floor of a public restroom is not fit to be one of our leaders.
I cannot believe there are republicans defending this behaviour.
It doesn’t matter. Craig pled guilty. It’s over and done with, period. Hand wringing is is hand wringing, nothing more nothing less.
The law of unintended consequences dictates: Never, ever admit to something you didn’t do.
Next!
“The republican party is in serious trouble right now.”
We have a lot of Sodomites who have apparently burrowed into the Republican grass. I have heard far too much of this bathroom stuff for my stomach to handle.
Gay rumors have been circulating about Craig for awhile. Do senators travel by themselves? They are public figures.
Now that a Republican senator has resigned, the libs want to return the debate to police tactics, because they don’t want a discussion of the merits of gay sex in restrooms. We don’t need to help them. Our side repulses me more and more.
Me too.
Imagine being a police officer and spending your shifts in bathroom stalls trolling for queers. I wonder if he likes his job or is he homophobic?
Time to move on.
Did you read the plea agreement?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0828071craig8.html
“Engaged in conduct which I knew or should have known tended to arouse alarm or resentment or others which conduct was physical versus verbal in nature”
“Is it Sen. Craig or airport policeman Sgt. Karsnia who is lying?”
Yes.
That’s what I’ve wondered.
Who in hell would put their hand under the partition when someone is in that next stall? Or put their foot over there? I loathe having to sit next to someone else in a public restroom. Just thinking about this gives me the creeps.
Of course he was trapped. But like all good trappers, Craig's enemies knew their quarry, its habits, exactly where to put the trap, how to bait it, and definitely how to spring it.
Craig is as gay as Christmas in Guatemala. (See redoutable freeper, Congressman Billybob) That's been known far and wide for a long time. They got him good. Maybe, like any reputable prep school, the GOP ought to have its own "Queer Patrol." No use letting the opposition party have all the fun.
This police officer seems to have charged everything he could, and got a guilty plea on one. I'll bet it's like a little star on the officer's record, just like hitting a quota on traffic tickets.
5. I now make no claim that I am innocent of the charge to which I am entering a plea of guilty.
With his great big signature underneath. Oh no! Could it be he was lying?
Do you have a wide stance?
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