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Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow (by 30%....incl. video)
CBS 13.com ^ | September 3, 2007 | John Iander

Posted on 09/05/2007 12:18:09 PM PDT by Stoat

Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow

 

John Iander
Reporting

(CBS13) MOUNT SHASTA The debate over global warming has taken a pretty odd twist in Northern California. Up on Mount Shasta, the glaciers are not behaving like you'd expect.

Big mountains often produce their own weather patterns. Mount Shasta, at 14,162 feet seems to have a mind of its own these days. Shasta has seven glaciers. The biggest is the one on the middle, Whitney Glacier. What has surprised scientists about the glacier is that if the theories about global warming are true, the glacier ought to be shrinking, but it's not.

“Unlike most areas around the world, these glaciers are advancing, they are growing. Thirty percent in the last fifty years,” says scientist Erik White.

White and mountain climber Chris Carr are Shasta experts.

"Every year it's a little bit different. But the glacier changes dramatically, year to year," says Carr.

So why are the glaciers larger today than they were a century or more ago?

"Mount Shasta is right at the very northern end of areas influenced by El Nino and were at the southern end of areas affected by La Nina. So between the two we get to see the benefits of that which means more snow and rain in this area," says White.

Snow scientists have been tracking the glaciers' size by comparing photos from a century ago to those taken decades later, and then using satellite data and computer modeling to determine the rate of growth.

Those models predict Shasta will continue to receive more than normal snowfall, but if the temperature continues to rise, the glaciers will begin to recede.

For now, the growing glaciers are good news to the town of Mount Shasta which hosts the thousands of tourists who come to here to experience the thrill of ice climbing.

You can climb mountain Shasta all the way to the glaciers to see for yourself, but, you'd better have good hiking equipment and be in good shape too!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; climatechange; conventionalwisdom; environment; glaciers; globalwarming; globalwarmingping; mountshasta; predictions; shasta; tothecontrary
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((((snicker)))))
1 posted on 09/05/2007 12:18:12 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

>>((((snicker)))))

Yeah, snicker all you want to, pal. It may not be “warming” but it’s still Climate Change. And, although we haven’t a clue as to just how any particular square mile will change, we know it will.

We are also sure it’s your fault.

You need to a) feel real guilty for being a productive American, and b) sacrifice your standard of living to offset Chinese pollution.

I suggest you start on b) right away. Send me your credit card information and I’ll email you some carbon credits.


2 posted on 09/05/2007 12:28:13 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: Stoat

Shasta gives the shafta Glowbull Warming..............


3 posted on 09/05/2007 12:28:14 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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Don't worry! Al will be along soon to fix it:
4 posted on 09/05/2007 12:30:23 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: Stoat

And it looks as though we may be having an early autumn in Washington State, too. :)


5 posted on 09/05/2007 12:30:54 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Stoat
When my Dad’s Irish immigrant family left Kansas, and went to California, half of them went to the Shasta area (Redding, etc.)

My Dad, out of work one time after an injury, went up and worked with his Brothers there. He came back and fascinated us all with tales of the mountains, wildlife, the lakes, and the glaciers.

He wanted to move up State, and I remember, vividly, he and Mom taking a whole day just to discuss it. They (Mom LOL) decided not to go, and I often wonder how my life would have evolved if we had gone.

I’ve gone up many times to visit, and as an excuse to fly my 172 into Redding Muni and Benton Airpark, and almost did move up, but it just wasn’t meant to be.

Two years ago my favorite Uncle, the oldest living male on Dad’s side of the family passed, and I can’t bare to go again.

Thanks for the nostalgia moment! :)

6 posted on 09/05/2007 12:34:14 PM PDT by papasmurf (I'm for Free, Fair, and Open trade. America needs to stand by it's true FRiend. Israel.)
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To: Stoat

Who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor. :-)


7 posted on 09/05/2007 12:34:47 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Should I make my check out to the AL Gore 08 Foundation?


8 posted on 09/05/2007 12:37:13 PM PDT by Holicheese (1-21-09 Hillary starts to destroy America!)
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To: Stoat
"Those models predict Shasta will continue to receive more than normal snowfall, but if the temperature continues to rise, the glaciers will begin to recede."

I thought growing glaciers had a cooling effect, can't make up their mind can they?

9 posted on 09/05/2007 12:38:12 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Califreak

Oh, come on...Al doesn’t need no stinkin’ flame thrower...just have him open his big fat mouth and let the hot air flow.

10 posted on 09/05/2007 12:40:01 PM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack

I agree.

That picture never fails to slay me! LOL!


11 posted on 09/05/2007 12:41:41 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: Stoat
"So between the two we get to see the benefits of that which means more snow and rain in this area," says White."

So.... when glaciers grow, it's because of more snow and rain, but when glaciers shrink, it's not becuse of less snow and rain?

Calling Al Gore, I need help with some 3rd grade logic.

12 posted on 09/05/2007 12:42:30 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Holicheese

>> Should I make my check out to the AL Gore 08 Foundation?

No, I’d (er, make that We’d) prefer you make it out to Al Gore personally.

Please send it right away; there’s a payment due on the Excursion.


13 posted on 09/05/2007 12:43:25 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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North Carolina must be having an ice age this year.


14 posted on 09/05/2007 12:43:49 PM PDT by dellbabe68
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To: Stoat

I have climbed Shasta twice and it is one of the proudest things I have done.

The best part is during Sunrise from Eastern side.....

Mt. Shasta blocks the Sun and you can see the shadow in the sky behind you....same thing happens during Sunset on the Western side....

One thing about Shasta is 80mph+ winds that can hit the peak at any moment....

Weather seems to be getting worse every year.....much more colder much later in the year.....so maybe that’s why Glaciers are growing....Snow remains in tact.....combined with rain and wind.....recipe for Glacier growth....

Shasta is a Beauty.....

One thing I HATE is that they let the Snowmobile riders on the Eastern side.....that’s just wrong and all it does it make noise....harm the enviorment and disturb the Wildlife....

I would join the Enviorment groups on that particular fight....Snowmobiles have no business being on Shasta...

It deserves to be declared a National Monument. It RISES to the Heavens out of NOWHERE.

Usually when you have a 14,000ft peak, you have many just as high nearby..... But this Volcanic Beauty stands alone by itself! Nothing like it.....

Lets not let lefties hijack the Enviormental agenda....

We all love our National Parks and no one did more for preserving them than Teddy Roosevelt.....

SAVE SHASTA FOR YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS!!!


15 posted on 09/05/2007 12:44:06 PM PDT by The_Republican (Dumb it Down and then Tart it Up!)
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To: Stoat

California should get Carbon Credits for keeping their Congressional Delegation in D.C. and reducing the amount of hot air in Northern, CA.


16 posted on 09/05/2007 12:44:09 PM PDT by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: Paperdoll
And it looks as though we may be having an early autumn in Washington State, too. :)

We're starting to drop leaves on our tree here in Northern California and the ants are going berserk looking for food. Hard winter coming? I may have to resort to that flame thrower of Al's for relief from the ants.

17 posted on 09/05/2007 12:45:34 PM PDT by liege
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To: Stoat

Hey! How are the academics supposed to collect their research grants, and Al Gore collect his “carbon credit” moolah, if you keep posting stuff like THIS???


18 posted on 09/05/2007 12:46:01 PM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: Nervous Tick

OK, let me just get my pen....


19 posted on 09/05/2007 12:46:29 PM PDT by Holicheese (1-21-09 Hillary starts to destroy America!)
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To: Nervous Tick
>>>Send me your credit card information and I’ll email you some carbon credits.<<<<

Carbon credits are passe. No one wants carbon credits - the new market is in methane credits.

Norway is evidently seriously considering starting a methane credit market to offset the methane production of their moose herds....the average moose evidently burps or farts 250 tons of methane gas a year.

Send me methane some credits for my pet moose and I'll e-mail you my credit card number.

20 posted on 09/05/2007 12:51:10 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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To: JennysCool
Hey! How are the academics supposed to collect their research grants, and Al Gore collect his “carbon credit” moolah, if you keep posting stuff like THIS???

If I can be a furry little burr under Algore's pink saddle as he rides the fat pig of anti-Capitalism to the bank, then I consider my time well-spent    :-)

 

21 posted on 09/05/2007 12:51:57 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

22 posted on 09/05/2007 12:54:56 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Stoat
Shasta’s glaciers are growing because the majority of California’s citizens are environmentalists and drive Prius's’s like good little citizens of the world.

/sarcasm

23 posted on 09/05/2007 1:00:56 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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To: liege

>I may hae to resort to that flame thrower of Al’s for relief from the ants.<

LOL! I just had the Orkin man here for carpenter ants, myself. He was a Democrat, an ex-Marine, and by the time he left, he was enthusiastically loaded down with Duncan Hunter bumper stickers and mailers. Never pass up an opportunity in an election year! :)


24 posted on 09/05/2007 1:02:45 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Stoat

"All of the glaciers belongs to the Peoples of Kaleforneia."

25 posted on 09/05/2007 1:03:14 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: HardStarboard
Shasta’s glaciers are growing because the majority of California’s citizens are environmentalists

Not true.

26 posted on 09/05/2007 1:06:15 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Stoat
Up on Mount Shasta, the glaciers are not behaving like you'd expect.

Actually, they are. Some glaciers are growing, some are shrinking. In some places it is warmer than average, in some places it is cooler than average.

That's why the environmentalwhackos have stopped talking about "global warming" and have switched to "global climate change." That way, no matter what the weather is anywhere in the world they can blame it on Bush and those damned SUVs.

27 posted on 09/05/2007 1:06:47 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: liege
I went up north into Wisconsin over the weekend. I went about 160 miles, and the farther I went the more trees I saw that were already starting to change. About 1 month early.

If its too warm, its climate change. If its to cold, its climate change. If there's no rain, its climate change. If there's a monsoon, its climate change.

And its all BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!

28 posted on 09/05/2007 1:09:04 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Stoat
But..... global warming is real!

WE have weather stations recording the increasing temperature nearly every day.

This site in this photo is just one of them.

(Try to ignore the air conditioning units.)


29 posted on 09/05/2007 1:09:11 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Stoat

WASHINGTON — “Whitney Glacier on Mount Shasta is growing, and scientists think global warming in Northern California is the reason.”

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/news/story/14317368p-15234887c.html

The AGW fanatics have an answer for everything.


30 posted on 09/05/2007 1:13:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: All
Readers may also be interested in this FR thread

Global Warming Media Disaster DiCaprio’s ‘11th Hour’ Bombs at Box Office

31 posted on 09/05/2007 1:17:18 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: liege
and the ants are going berserk looking for food. Hard winter coming? I may have to resort to that flame thrower of Al's for relief from the ants.

When your done flaming those ants send the thrower to me. The ants where I live in CA are in overdrive.

And to stay on topic. Thanks to Ahnold global warming has been contained to just the parts of California that always get really, really hot in the summer.

32 posted on 09/05/2007 1:22:04 PM PDT by A message
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To: HardStarboard

>> Send me methane some credits for my pet moose and I’ll e-mail you my credit card number.

Dang! You’re on to me.

Gotta get up pretty early in the afternoon to put one over on ol’ HardStarboard...


33 posted on 09/05/2007 1:24:16 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: #1CTYankee

(Try to ignore the air conditioning units.)

What air-conditioning units? All I see are some chloroflurocarbon-state-change compressor loaded anemometers. Yeah! That’s the ticket.


34 posted on 09/05/2007 1:26:31 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: #1CTYankee
I found that Global Warming happens most in the middle of the day. It's colder in the morning. By afternoon, the temperature increases. And at night, it gets colder again. It's like that almost EVERY DAY!!!

Where do I sign up for my research grant?

35 posted on 09/05/2007 1:27:04 PM PDT by MooseMan (Sarcasm included at no additional charge)
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To: Stoat
You can climb mountain Shasta all the way to the glaciers to see for yourself, but, you'd better have good hiking equipment and be in good shape too!

And the reporter's source for this information is? Is there no end to the personal knowledge and fortune telling skills we are bestowed upon by our benevolent mainstream media? What would we do without them?

36 posted on 09/05/2007 1:32:05 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Thud

Hammer will love this fact.


37 posted on 09/05/2007 1:41:04 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Nervous Tick

Details, details. ;-)


38 posted on 09/05/2007 1:41:09 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: papasmurf
I lived in Bella Vista (just east of Redding) for about 10 years. I’ve lived all over California, and that area was the most beautiful. I hope one day to go back.
39 posted on 09/05/2007 1:41:27 PM PDT by DejaJude
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To: Paperdoll
And it looks as though we may be having an early autumn in Washington State, too. :)

Seems so. The leaves are turning, the air is crisper, and the thieving squirrel in my backyard is getting more bold in his attempts to swipe seed from the bird feeders. Little wretch.

40 posted on 09/05/2007 1:44:53 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: MooseMan
"Where do I sign up for my research grant?"

Sorry, but you can sign up here to have your weather station compiling data.

http://www.wxqa.com/SIGN-UP.html

Make sure you locate it close to the pavement, near an air conditioning unit and a chimney.

Or if you live near a private airport try positioning your weather station like the one in this photo.


41 posted on 09/05/2007 1:52:59 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Stoat

Glacial melting rates are primarily a function of solar energy on the surface of the glacier, not ambient temperature. If atmospheric dimming rates exceed temperature rise, glaciers will expand, all else being equal in mid northern latitudes.


42 posted on 09/05/2007 3:06:21 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Stoat

What percentage of the world’s glaciers show a decline?


43 posted on 09/05/2007 3:09:09 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
What percentage of the world’s glaciers show a decline?

Neither the article nor the video answer that, but probably enough to keep Algore in the media spotlight for a while.

44 posted on 09/05/2007 3:37:41 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

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45 posted on 09/05/2007 3:40:32 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Stoat
I just took this picture of Mt. Shasta on Friday, August 31st. This is from the north side.


46 posted on 09/05/2007 3:56:24 PM PDT by Clovis_Skeptic (Isalm is a religion of peace my @$s)
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47 posted on 09/06/2007 10:55:44 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: dead
Excellent. This has been stolen, er, borrowed for future Carbon Credits.


48 posted on 09/06/2007 11:16:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Donate to Vets For Freedom: http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: Stoat
Pray that Al Gorebull Warming runs for President in 08 on his Gorebull Warming BS.



49 posted on 09/06/2007 11:18:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Donate to Vets For Freedom: http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: #1CTYankee
WE have weather stations recording the increasing temperature nearly every day.

Every day?

What's the temp there now...150 F?

50 posted on 09/06/2007 11:29:33 AM PDT by Osage Orange (There is nothing in the world more stubborn than a corpse.............................)
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