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Declaration of war against Ron Paul
april15bendovr

Posted on 09/07/2007 8:18:27 AM PDT by april15Bendovr

Ron Paul refuses to declare war against Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq.

We have made it clear here at Free Republic that there is irrefutable documentation showing Saddam's WMD program and links to Al Qaeda under this section on the website

PreWarDocs

Ron Paul continues to appease our enemy.

I am officially posting a declaration of war against Ron RuPaul here at Free Republic on behalf of patriotic Americans who support our troops mission in Iraq.



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To: april15Bendovr

Oh stop it. This is ridiculous. You are acting like the MSM by censoring.


101 posted on 09/07/2007 9:49:33 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: april15Bendovr

Fine. But why the special forum here anti-Giuliani? And why any initial assumption that Thompson - Thompson, my God, who was barely awake in the Senate - has anything to offer to anyone, or can mix it up with Hillary or even Silky? I think the Website’s now institutionalized approach to the entire primary has been beneath the dignity of everything else I have seen here. It is annoying, and entirely unnecessary - and yet it continues. Now, though, all of a sudden, it is a snit over Ron Paul - a complete non-entity. None of this makes sense.


102 posted on 09/07/2007 9:51:14 AM PDT by Pyncho (Success through excess)
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To: april15Bendovr
Ron Paul refuses to declare war against Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq.

You are aware that Ron Paul tried to get declarations of war for both Afghanistan (he supported it) and for Iraq (he opposed but believed the Congress should always be forced to declare a war).

But you can't declare war on a terrorist group. They aren't sovereign, they don't have a country. Naturally, there are other legal measures Congress can use against non-uniformed combatants.
103 posted on 09/07/2007 9:52:04 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: april15Bendovr

Do all Ron Paul critics not know or refuse to learn the difference between libertarianism and the Libertarian Party?


104 posted on 09/07/2007 9:54:12 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Nephi

Oh please!

Its called the animated contest of freedom.

Let the Paulites and the antipaulites duke it out.

There is no shame in it.


105 posted on 09/07/2007 9:56:04 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: crazyshrink

I think you may have meant that reply to go to someone else.


106 posted on 09/07/2007 9:56:49 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
I know that the Ron Paul crowd refuses to learn anything from the PreWarDoc section at Free Republic.
107 posted on 09/07/2007 10:01:28 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr
The whole Ron Paul Phenomenon reminds me of all the Democrats in NH that switched their party affiliation over in the primaries to Republican only to immediately switch back before the election voting for their favorite commie.

And Ron Paul is to blame...how exactly?

McStain got those votes in 2000, might get them again this year.

In any event, Republicans who win Democrats over to support them is normally a Good Thing. Like Reagan and his Reagan Democrats. Landslide GOP elections can only happen when you do. Same thing for Newt's class of '94.

I think if you asked RP supporters seriously, you'd find nearly all of the RP supporters oppose open primaries. But if the party is going to do something so stupid, we're not going to chase away small groups of Dems from supporting Ron Paul. I think our large Manhatten MeetUp probably has our highest number of Democrats in it, over 500 in that bunch. But then, it's a state with 70% Dim registration.
108 posted on 09/07/2007 10:04:05 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Pyncho
Fine. But why the special forum here anti-Giuliani?

Because Giuliani is an open borders,pro-abortion, gun grabbing, gay loving cross dresser whose sanctuary city policy made it easier for 9/11 to happen and this forum sometimes espouses conservatism.

And why any initial assumption that Thompson - Thompson, my God, who was barely awake in the Senate - has anything to offer to anyone, or can mix it up with Hillary or even Silky?

Whose most notorious accomplishment during his eight years in the senate was bragging about co-authoring and voting for McCain/Feingold. Wait 'till the old media remakes McFred in the image of Cheney.

109 posted on 09/07/2007 10:06:01 AM PDT by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: april15Bendovr

Are you sure you wouldn’t rather just declare war against libertarianism?


110 posted on 09/07/2007 10:06:28 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: George W. Bush; april15Bendovr
Looks like Ron Paul was all for declaring war on Iraq:

Why Won't Congress Declare War?

Two weeks ago, during a hearing in the House International Relations committee, I attempted to force the committee to follow the Constitution and vote to declare war with Iraq. The language of Article I, section 8, is quite clear: only Congress has the authority to declare war. Yet Congress in general, and the committee in particular, have done everything possible to avoid making such a declaration. Why? Because members lack the political courage to call an invasion of Iraq what it really is- a war- and vote yes or no on the wisdom of such a war. Congress would rather give up its most important authorized power to the President and the UN than risk losing an election later if the war goes badly. There is always congressional "support" for a popular war, but the politicians want room to maneuver if the public later changes its mind. So members take half steps, supporting confusingly worded "authorizations" that they can back away from easily if necessary.

It’s astonishing that the authorization passed by the committee mentions the United Nations 25 times, yet does not mention the Constitution once. Congress has allowed itself to be bypassed completely, even though much is made of the President’s willingness to consult some legislative leaders about the war. The real negotiations took place between the Bush administration and the UN, replacing debate in the people’s house. By transferring its authority to declare war to the President and ultimately the UN, Congress not only violates the Constitution, but also disenfranchises the American people.

Already the administration has sought to gain favor with the UN by pledging hundreds of millions of tax dollars to UNESCO. UNESCO is the anti-American "educational" arm of the UN, an organization from which President Reagan heroically removed us in 1984. Now we find ourselves rejoining the agency to soften UN resistance to our plans in Iraq.

I don’t believe in resolutions that cite the UN as authority for our military actions. America has a sovereign right to defend itself, and we don’t need UN permission or approval to act in the interests of American national security. The decision to go to war should be made by the U.S. Congress alone. If Congress believes war is justified, it should give the President full warmaking authority, rather than binding him with resolutions designed to please our UN detractors.

Sadly, the leadership of both parties on the International Relations committee fails to understand the Constitution. One Republican member stated that the constitutional requirement that Congress declare war is an anachronism and should no longer be followed, while a Democratic member said that a declaration of war would be "frivolous." I don’t think most Americans believe our Constitution is outdated or frivolous, and they expect Congress to follow it.

When Congress issued clear declarations of war against Japan and Germany during World War II, the nation was committed and victory was achieved. When Congress shirks its duty and avoids declaring war, as with Korea, and Vietnam, the nation is less committed and victory is elusive. No lives should be lost in Iraq unless Congress expresses the clear will of the American people and votes yes or no on a declaration of war.

This would normally be language supported by all FReepers.

111 posted on 09/07/2007 10:07:45 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: Phantom Lord
How many Buchanan flame wars were there on FR in January 1996? My guess, zero.

That seems pretty safe. Doesn't even JimRob have only a 1997 date? LOL.
112 posted on 09/07/2007 10:09:08 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“The whole Ron Paul Phenomenon reminds me of all the Democrats in NH that switched their party affiliation over in the primaries to Republican only to immediately switch back before the election voting for their favorite commie.”

The truth shall set me free

More Ron Paul supporter scams! Change Party Affiliation to Republican?
Daily Paul web site ^ | May 29, 2007 | DailyPaul.com

Posted on 09/07/2007 11:46:32 AM EDT by PlainOleAmerican

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892621/posts


113 posted on 09/07/2007 10:12:58 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: CJ Wolf
“Wow, Ron Paul must really be scaring everyone for this massive effort to take place. He must be a threat!”

No people are just annoyed that a kook is able to distract from real candidates.
It is like going to a performance hear Pavarotti sing in his wonderful voice. But then there is this crazy lunatic street person wandering through the crowd trying to sing “Feelings”

114 posted on 09/07/2007 10:15:15 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: Nephi

All of the name-calling directed to Rudy is getting tedious. I suppose it doesn’t matter in the slightest that he quite literally turned around the largest city in the country, and most international American city, which was both bankrupt and crime-ridden. And he did it with fiscal responsibility and law and order - which, last I heard, seem kinda conservative. It also doesn’t matter that he used his resources as NYC major to go after Yasser and push it in the face of sheiks - this, too, doesn’t matter.

The rhetoric directed against Rudy goes nowhere. The Dems will initially do the same, after he wins the nomination, and it will similarly go nowhere. Southern rednecks, suburban moms, and “sophisticates” on both coasts are going to vote for Rudy because they KNOW he will make them safe, and no one credibly can claim this about sleepy Fred.

Grow up conservatives: you are not going to get your domestic Reagan this time but you will get more than your international Reagan - and during these times the latter is far more important. Plus, Rudy has already pledged not to use the presidency to promote any liberal domestic agenda. He knows better. He will lock down the border, and kick ass overseas.


115 posted on 09/07/2007 10:16:09 AM PDT by Pyncho (Success through excess)
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To: Nephi
I'd caution against annoying JimRob. It's always a bad idea.

OTOH, if Ron Paul and his supporters are to be banned, JimRob would not necessarily forbid any articles about him. The Paul-haters could then post any bilge they want without anyone rebutting their disinformation and outright lies. Currently, they primarily object to any defense of Paul.

FR is like JimRob's living room. Not a public square. It's good to remember that.
116 posted on 09/07/2007 10:17:20 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Nephi

“by banning any mention”

Those are practices by dictators. If you don’t like the Forum, then leave.


117 posted on 09/07/2007 10:18:43 AM PDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: mylife; Nephi
There is no shame in it.

I disagree.

There is a great deal of shame connected with adults who cannot have a civil discussion without degenerating into puerile name calling.

FReepers USED to observe an SOP at FR when stating their opinion by posting an outside source with their comments. It was how we learned.

But we were interested in learning from each other then. Now it's just who manages to scream the loudest or make the rudest comment without getting it pulled.

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I guess you're right. it's not shameful, it's disgusting.

118 posted on 09/07/2007 10:19:01 AM PDT by MamaTexan (~ How can we have a free country if government controls everything? ~)
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To: null and void
Huh are you advocating censorship on FR?

They're advocating a mass purge of RP supporters. They've been making the attempt about every ten days recently. Apparently, they coordinate their campaign via email/FRmail. It's far too tidy and regular for spontaneity.

And this forum is JimRob's living room, not a public square. The First Amendment does not apply. The right to free association on private property (JimRob's) does.
119 posted on 09/07/2007 10:21:35 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“It is like going to a performance hear Pavarotti sing in his wonderful voice. But then there is this crazy lunatic street person wandering through the crowd trying to sing “Feelings””

Newsflash: Pavarotti is dead so he won’t be singing in his wonderful voice anymore. Maybe you should think of it like american idol and Ron Paul is William Hung. Very popular may make some impact, but likely won’t win the beauty contest. You that some of the best parts is the tryouts. That is unless you are really scared he will win. (Which he will)


120 posted on 09/07/2007 10:22:52 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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