Posted on 09/14/2007 3:15:19 PM PDT by Pistolshot
Friday, September 14, 2007
Republican voters continue to see Fred Thompson as the most politically conservative candidate in the GOP Presidential field. Mitt Romney is not too far behind while most Republican voters see John McCain and Rudy Giuliani as politically moderate.
A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 48% of Republican voters view Thompson as politically conservative while 42% have that perception of Romney. Just 33% of Republican voters see McCain as politically conservative and 25% hold that view of Giuliani.
Looked at from the other perspective, 68% see Giuliani as moderate or liberal while 58% of Republicans say the same of McCain. Romney is viewed as moderate or liberal by 39% of GOP voters and 31% say the same about Thompson.
Those perceptions are similar to the way Republican voters saw the candidates a month ago. The biggest shift is a seven-point increase in the number of Republicans who see Romney as politically conservative.
The race for the Republican nomination is very fluid with Thompson and Giuliani holding the top two positions for several months. While Thompson is seen as more ideologically in synch with the conservative-leaning party, Giuliani is seen as the most electable Republican candidate.
Thompson has enjoyed a nice bounce in the polls since formally entering the race.
For most of this year, Giuliani has also been far and away the most popular Republican candidate. Now, however, 68% of Republican voters have a favorable opinion of Giuliani and 64% say the same about Thompson. Those figures include 26% with a Very Favorable opinion of Giuliani and 28% with a Very Favorable opinion of Thompson.
Interestingly, while Thompson is seen as the most conservative candidate by Republican voters, the perception is a bit different among all voters. Forty-one percent (41%) of all voters see Romney as politically conservative. Thirty-eight percent (38%) see Thompson as conservative and 33% see McCain in that way. Just 25% of all voters see Giuliani as a conservative.
Data on the ideological perceptions of leading Democratic candidates has also been released today. Other key stats are continuously updated for all Republican and Democratic candidates.
ROTFLMAO! Now that's funny...
But it doesn't matter if he has traction according to the polls...
Of ALL the candidates, who is the most conservative?
Hunter, without a doubt.
We might argue a minute or two about Tanc, or maybe Huck, but none of the top tier even begin to come close. Few here would disagree that Hunter is "the" conservative on the board.
It isn't a popularity contest...
jeez, not this sh*t again....
No. The purpose of the election is to ELECT a conservative to represent us, not to vote against Her tHighness.
Fred has been on TV for 4 years, starred in movies and served as a Senator during the Clinton impeachment yet still has only 50% name recognition. Where do you honestly think Hunter would be on that scale... a California congressman who can’t even get traction in his own state. NOBODY knows who he is!
“Gently promoting?” More like “attempting not to automatically disqualify.” He deserves at least that much. He’s not McCain.”
Defending Romney seemed to be be your only real interest and was usually the only comment or comments that you would contribute on long threads over the last 10 months.
Your posts on Thompson were always mildly dismissive and critical when they started showing up.
McCain you mentioned once as being more conservative than Romney, but crazy, which I agree with.
I see Duncan as a solid conservative too. He is very strong and knowledgeable on the border fence and national security - two big issues. Romney is likable, looks and sounds good. He seems conservative now. He seemed liberal when running against Ted Kennedy. I’m not slamming him, but there is a ? by Romney that I don’t see with Duncan. So I agree with your ranking Duncan as more conservative than Mitt. I don’t know anything about Fred. So no comment on him.
No, its not. Its about stopping Hillary. Besides, conservatives are the minority party now and have no hope of ever winning another presidential election using abortion and gun control as the only issues.
The war was lost about 12 years ago. That’s when the demographics forever changed to give the socialist’s the advantage. Too many people on the government tit now. That includes all the so called conservatives too.
All we can do now is slow down the process. Putting Hillary in would be the worst thing we could do.
John
“Fred has been on TV for 4 years, starred in movies and served as a Senator during the Clinton impeachment yet still has only 50% name recognition. Where do you honestly think Hunter would be on that scale... “
LOL, my friend who is a failed actor, a Hollywood grip for ten years and a rabid conservative Republican but not a political junkie, didn’t recognize the name when I told him about the announcement last Saturday.
In his defense he has four young daughters and a new son delivered last Friday night. Middle America
“Conservative” Hunter does NOT walk the walk when it comes to fiscal issues; in fact, he is an irresponsible big-spender. Duncan Hunter did NOT support House conservatives when they recently attempted to eliminate these earmarks:
Vote 561 $150,000 for Maverick Concert Hall in NY
Vote 560 $100,000 for College Theatre Renovation in IN
Vote 565 $140,000 for Wetzel County Courthouse in WV
Vote 567 $150,000 for W.A. Young and Sons Foundry in PA
Vote 568 $100,000 for Professional Firefighters hall in OH
Vote 569 $1,200,000 for the SW Heritage Rte in PA
Vote 590 $231,000 for Johnstown Development in PA
Vote 591 $500,000 for project in Barracks Row area of DC
Vote 592 $231,000 for San Francisco Planning Asso. in CA
Vote 593 $129,000 for County’s Perfect Xmas Tree Project
Vote 594 $231,000 for Univ. Small-Business Incubator in WV
Vote 595 $231,000 for Lincoln National Airport Commission
Vote 597 148 requested earmarks
Vote 636 $1,000,000 for Instrumented Infrastructure in PA
Vote 637 $1,500,000 for Historically Black Colleges science
Vote 638 $500,000 for the Emmanuel College Center in MA
Vote 639 $1,000,000 for nano-structured fuel cell membrane electrode in CA
Vote 640 numerous earmarks
Vote 654 $34,000,000 for Native Education Equity in AK
Vote 663 all earmarks
Vote 664 $300,000 for Bay Area Science Teachers in CA
Vote 671 $200,000 for Corporation for Jefferson’s Popular Forest in VA
Vote 678 $2,000,000 for Charlie Rangel Center for Public Svc in NYC
Vote 679 $200,000 for American Jazz Museum in Kansas City MO
Vote 698 $300,000 for Belmont Complex in Kittanning PA
Vote 699 $400,000 for N Central Regional Planning Commission in WI
Vote 700 $50,000 for the National Mule and Packers Museum in CA
Vote 701 $300,000 for Friends of Cheat Rails-to-Trails Program in WV
Vote 702 $300,000 for Houston Zoo in TX
Vote 735 $200,000 for Lobster Institute at the U of ME
Vote 736 $250,000 for E. Coast Shellfish Research in NJ
Vote 810 $628,843 for grape genetics research in Geneva NY
Vote 813 $6,371,000 for wood use in MS,NC,MN,ME,MI,ID,TN,AR,WV
Vote 839 $2,500,000 for Presidio Park in San Francisco CA
Vote 842 $2,000,000 for Anti-Microbial Paint Shield
Vote 843 $1,500,000 for Doyle Center for Mfg Tech in PA
Vote 844 $3,000,000 for Education Research in Apple Valley CA
Vote 845 $39,000,000 for Natl Drug Intelligence Center in Johnstown PA
Look at how Hunter protected the personal pork of Pelossi, Murtha, and Rangel. Shameful.
Reading just this, among many of the absurd statements you have made on this thread has drawn me into the position of risking the FR ban on personal attacks. But I'll try to stay on the safe side of the line, and not call you the idiot I think you are.
But, you are indeed a lazy and sloppy researcher if you have not yet discovered that Fred Thompson's political life has been driven by consistent conservative principles for decades.
And you have the nerve to say such an ignorant thing as part of a statement of support for Mitt Romney, a man who really has NO conservative credentials of longer standing than his latest advertising campaign. Mitt Romney impresses me, and maybe most of us here on this board, as a totally synthetic construct with NO real underlying character or political philosophy except what may be expedient.
For me, the guy Mitt Romney reminds me most of is John Kerry. Frankly, the man gives me the creepy-crawlies.
“Nope, they will piss and moan that their guy never got a chance, everyone is against a real conservative, blah blah blah.”
I don’t get it, I am in Duncan’s district and there is nothing radical about him or kitschy.
He is a main stream conservative that serves a very solid middle class conservative district, I’m surprised to learn that some of his fans have that edginess to them.
Dude, you've been around since hell froze over the first time.:)
You know what's going to happen, the Duncanites will hate the Romneyites who hate the Thompsonites who hate the......whatever. Just be thankful we don't have the Keyesites and the Buchananites this time. For Christians, they could really hit below the belt. :)
Not all conservatives of course are on the government tit, just too many to really care who gets to be president as long as their benefits are protected.
John
On CFR, Fred has renounced his signoff on the issue ads provision, but still supports limits on cash donations. Fred was the one who got the limits raised from $1,000 to $2,000, with indexing tied to inflation. Fred did vote for Clinton`s impeachment, on the obstruction of justice charge only. Fred said if Osama Bin laden is caught he should be prosecuted. If Osama is killed evading capture, prosecution isn't possible.
And finally, Fred is a self-professed, long time federalist and by definition that means he supports limited government. You don't get more conservative than that. Fred wants to resurrect Reagan's Executive Order #12612, which ordered each government entity look at ways to adhere to the Founder's ideas of original intent, aka. federalism.
"A good first step would be to codify the Executive Order on Federalism first signed by President Ronald Reagan. That Executive Order, first revoked by President Clinton, then modified to the point of uselessness, required agencies to respect the principle of the Tenth Amendment when formulating policies and implementing the laws passed by Congress. It preserved the division of responsibilities between the states and the federal government envisioned by the Framers of the Constitution. It was a fine idea that should never have been revoked. The next president should put it right back in effect, and see to it that the rightful authority of state and local governments is respected."
~~~ Fred Thompson, LINK
President Reagan`s Executive Order #12612: Federalism: October 26, 1987:
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to restore the division of governmental responsibilities between the national government and the States that was intended by the Framers of the Constitution and to ensure that the principles of federalism established by the Framers guide the Executive departments and agencies in the formulation and implementation of policies, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Sec. 2.:
(a) Federalism is rooted in the knowledge that our political liberties are best assured by limiting the size and scope of the national government.
You're right.. He left the campaign just because a little colon cancer spooked him. What a wuss.
And I think Fred looks just fine.
Why don't you just scurry on back to the Democratic Underground or the Ron Paul campaign or wherever you belong. It isn't here.
“”Which is pretty much proof that my opinion of the candidates shifts as we discover more about them. McCain simply cannot be trusted with the job of President. Thompson may turn out to be an excellent choice, but I need to see him in some debates first. Hunter is the most conservative out of all of them, and I’d vote for him in a heartbeat. With Romney, I’m encouraged by the MSM’s virulent reaction to him, as if he were some sort of virus; Republicans that the MSM hates usually wind up being pretty good for our side.””
That is a perfect example, you didn’t shift, you said that about McCain in the promotion of Romney.
This post you just made is a variation of the posts you have been making for 10 months, a soft, slick promotion of Romney.
The subtle dismissal of Thompson, the covering mention of non factor Hunter, and then a quiet promotion for your man.
You could just be open and upfront with who you are backing.
According to this post Republicans in danger of losing US 'God vote' , your statement is far from the truth:
"[...]Christian conservatives are likely to be nearly 30 per cent of 120 million who vote".
Assuming the figures are correct, simple mathematics would suggest that Christian Conservatives alone are 40m votes.
All we can do now is slow down the process. Putting Hillary in would be the worst thing we could do.
OH HELL NO! That's the problem here, you are all giving up! We must STOP the process, and we can. The same components involved in the Reagan election are still present. One need only put forward a candidate capable of energizing all those components.
Unfortunately, none in the top tier have that capability.
Nobody ever has a response to that.
I have posted at least 25 times about Hunter missing nearly 30% of the current House votes, and I have never had a response to that either.
Move along people. Nothing to see here.
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